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    Default Elevator Training Info desperately needed

    Does anyone have any written material or powerpoint to use for an elevator training class. Elevator companies are very secretive of their designs and refuse to release any information. If so can you pass it along to My Email

    Any help is greatly appreciated.

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    More info?

    Height, cable or hydraulic, age, Fire service settings, blind shafts, etc...

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    I believe there is a very good class on this being taught at FDIC this year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by E229Lt
    More info?

    Height, cable or hydraulic, age, Fire service settings, blind shafts, etc...
    Basics, how they operate (all types). Emergency procedures on lowering, roof hatch info, Shaft shut offs...basically anything we might need to know as firefighters respopnding to trapped occupants. Thanks!

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    Have you looked at any of the independant elevator service companies? We have one in this area that provides a 4 hour in-service to each shift every few years.
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    Get in touch with your Otis, Dover or Schindler elevator company. They can put on an excellent class and give you to do's and don'ts associated with elevators nowadays. Good luck.

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    We have Montgomery/(Kone) in the area here..
    http://www.kone.com/en_US/main/0,,,00.html

    Not sure if that will help anyone out in the area..but I believe they would be more than willing to cooperate with the fire department.

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    Looked at the elevator companies and they want $1,200 for a class. I just want some basic info on rescues to go over on a shift training.

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    Doo600, check your email. I sent you a powerpoint I put together.
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    99% of all local companies will respond in an emergency. 24/7. You need not be climbing all over the car, in or out of the shaft..rigging or any of that junk. If you don't know, don't be doin it. Any of the manufacturers will be happy to help in an emergency.
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    My company does at least two or three stuck elevators a tour.Most of the time we have the occupants out with-in 5 minutes.It is relativly simple once you've done it enough. Check out the New York Firefighters Burn Center Foundation web site, I belive they sell the FDNY training tape on removing people from stuck elevators.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doo600
    Looked at the elevator companies and they want $1,200 for a class. I just want some basic info on rescues to go over on a shift training.
    Here's an idea thats gauranteed to work. Since you haven't been trained in the proper operation and safe removal of persons...I'm sure that some damage will probably occur to the system. Next elevator run...shut the system off and if you should have to force a door with the bags so be it. The damage and resulting headache for the mechanics will persuade them to drop this $1200 fee. I know most gas companies and electrical companies consider it part of their public relations/safety programs to teach or partner with the local FD for a training video on their operations. I'm sure one of the bigger companies if approached while on building inspections will acquiesce to your request.

    I looked through all the reference materials I have and strangely enough I can't realy find much on elevators. Neither Montagna, Norman, Downey(RIP) or anyone else has much on elevators in their books. All I could find was my depts operational procedures which aren't on the web.

    Vincent Dunn covers some in Safety and Survival I think in regards to fireground operations. And on the free issue of www.Firenuggets.com at http://firenuggets.com/free.htm.

    Some basics:

    -Make sure doors/contacts are closed, try normal recall buttons, then try recall with the 1620 key.
    -There are incidents and there are emergencies...learn the difference.
    -Any thing past this...SHUT OFF ELEVATOR and leave man at position to avoid someone from restarting it.
    -Look into two speed elevators and if you have any.
    -Learn how to use the different keys and where they will be used.
    -Learn how to safely pole.
    -Learn about the counter weight and control cable.
    -Removal, Up and out, try to avoid "down and out" at all costs...shaft is open, possible fall hazzard to occupants.
    -Always move persons in and out as fast as possible in case car moves.
    -Avoid entering any sort of pit walk-in or jump-in if at all possible.
    -Learn about limit switches and how to activiate them.
    -Never allow members to enter shaft without being tied off to rope and secured.
    -Don't rely on the mechanics to help in an emergency...they won't arrive in time in all likelyhood.

    It really isn't that complicated...you just have to learn some basics. Most all incidents can be handled safely with 5-6 men.

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    Ahhhh Matty is right...I remember that video. It is a little dated and fairly dry but it covers the basics.

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    There is a Batallion Chief in Wilmington, De. His name is Houselbeck (something like that, sorry for the vagueness, cant remember his name verbatim or the spelling) that does a fantastic elevator presentation, I caught it at the Philadelphia Fire Academy about 6 or 8 years ago. See if you cant track him down, maybe he can help. He also does a hell of a shipboard firefighting presentation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SPFDRum
    Doo600, check your email. I sent you a powerpoint I put together.
    Got it, thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattyJ
    My company does at least two or three stuck elevators a tour.Most of the time we have the occupants out with-in 5 minutes.It is relativly simple once you've done it enough. Check out the New York Firefighters Burn Center Foundation web site, I belive they sell the FDNY training tape on removing people from stuck elevators.
    Great, I'm gonna order it tomorrow!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FWDbuff
    There is a Batallion Chief in Wilmington, De. His name is Houselbeck (something like that, sorry for the vagueness, cant remember his name verbatim or the spelling) that does a fantastic elevator presentation, I caught it at the Philadelphia Fire Academy about 6 or 8 years ago. See if you cant track him down, maybe he can help. He also does a hell of a shipboard firefighting presentation.
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    my local academy has a great class on it, the instructor even came out to give our company the class at the local highschool and even showed us some things about the elevators they had. the academy's website is www.morrisacademy.org

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    If you have a local housing authority or a complex of buildings at least, ask their elevator mechanics to explain the easiest way to open them. They may even give you some of the homemade tools they use. They always update us on new techniques and tools (our company, not the job) It is in their best interest. Take the elevator company and your job out of the mix and you'll probabply learn all you need to know from the men in the street.

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    Our dept. is going to do this training also. Just the basics, our community has approx. 10 - 3 stroy buildings that haven't trapped anyone yet. Just would like to the basics of getting them out. It would cost to much to get a instructor in our remote area. A powerpoint, video anything would help?
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    Here's some basic stuff on elevators from Chief Dunn (ret)



    http://vincentdunn.com/dunn/newslett...newsletter.pdf

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    I'm teaching with Chief Huelsenbeck this Friday. He still does elevators. Drop me an email and I'll get you in touch with him.

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    John Mittendorf in his book Truck Company Operations has a chapter on Elevator Extrication. Some of his articles in the book have been in past articles in Fire Engineering. You can do an article archive search on there website to see if you can get it from there. You could also get the book too.

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    I think I have been on only one stuck elevator in which we had to force the door. The rest were handled with a basic set of elevator keys and a 12' attic ladder. Get your own keys cause the ones that are suppose to be held on site by management or in a FD access panel either are missing or the wrong size.
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    I have had my share of elevator jobs....Every now and then we have had a problem with the top cable releasing and jamming the top of the door. How do you stop this ? I've had it happen on both Otis and Dover systems and have talked to a service rep from both and they could not give me answer. any help would be greatful
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