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    Chris, just do us a favor and go away, PLEASE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris0871
    just maybe I might reach one of you skeptics if you will just for once ask a question ? and look at the evidence ....

    Thats all conjecture moron.....get a life....move out of your parents foil lined basement. Keep posting...I am sure the CIA and other secret government agencies are watching your posts and tracking your I.P. You never know..you could be next......
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris0871
    there will be more as more of the truth comes out you can't kill us all .
    Nope I don't want to kill them all, I just want the one dumb enough to come here of all places and wave his ideas around to the people that want to here it the least. Oh and those *********s that go to funerals for soldiers and protest there. So do us a favor take your smoking gun, put it to your head and pull the trigger. that bang is the only sound I want to here from your dumb*****. You have the right to speak your mind. I have the right to speak mine. Either go to hell or come here so i can smack you with something.

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    You don't get it.

    We do not give a gat rat's arse about your consipracy theories, postings of irrelevant crap and such.

    Take a hint...

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    Did you respond to WTC???

    This tread was started to keep people up on HEALTH ISSUES affecting the people who responded. This tread was not intended to be used by this mutt for a way out of touch conspiracy theory. So please ignore this mutt so we can help each other on the topic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris0871
    Well if a small hydrogen bomb was used that could account for the very rare types of cancers that people are being diagnosed with .....and the molten pools found weeks later under the rubble ...Oh yeah how does fire burn weeks later underground ...professor
    dude i am laughing so hard grapesoda is coming out my nose at what you said. your funny
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    I wasn't laughing with you i was laughing at you
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    "Hi my name is chris and I'm a conspiracy theorist."
    "Hi chris."
    "it's been (stop look at watch) five minutes since i ramled on about some BS story that the gov is out to get us."
    "wow"
    "yeah I'm pretty F!@#ed up"

    dude go to a meeting or something nobody wants to hear it anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris0871
    Hey where is the media reporting on these poor people why haven't I seen any news reports about these poor people ..Seems to me they should have a massive law suit on there hands .......but no the government is denying these poor people there claims there is a law that even prevents them from sueing the government .. look it up ....


    Like the Lt said...have you been under a rock for the last 5 years????...oh wait....you've been in you parent's tin foiled lined basement for the last 5....sorry.....my bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris0871
    Well if a small hydrogen bomb was used that could account for the very rare types of cancers that people are being diagnosed with .....and the molten pools found weeks later under the rubble ...Oh yeah how does fire burn weeks later underground ...professor

    Its easy internet boy..."look it up". Ever hear of Black Dirt???? It will burn underground....for YEARS....But by your reasoning...there should NEVER be a fire in a subceller then I guess..... Lets see...fuel, oxygen, voids.....etc....you tell us...brains.

    Keep posting...you are truly showing how stupid you are....really stupid. You might want to add an extra layer of foil to your hat and basement...I think the CIA is closing in on you.

    HEY WEBTEAM...SHUT THIS MORON DOWN. You have done more to registered members for less....come on with it already....
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    Yeah,

    Controlled demolitions and gremlins!

    Sh*t you must be a Columbia Grad!


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    Quote Originally Posted by chris0871
    Oh yeah how does fire burn weeks later underground ...professor
    How about Centralia, Pennsylvania? Underground fire that has burned since 1961, and could by some estimates burn for another 100 years.
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    Default I'm stealing this quote from someone else, but it still rocks...

    The Clinton administration couldn't cover up a blow job, you think you could have 100's of workers planting demolitions etc and not get caught. Grow up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris0871

    this isnt quantum physics here guys were talking basic newtonian physics that have been with us since the 16th Century....just basic laws of motion ...
    So there was no gravity before the 16th century? Weird! Now listen jackass, if you want to spew your mindless crap, start your own thread. This thread was and will remain to be, about the brothers who are suffering long term problems from their time downtown. Cant you you respect that and STFU?
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    No $2B for 9/11 heroes

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    BY LISA L. COLANGELO and MICHAEL SAUL in New York
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    Senate Republicans killed a bid for nearly $2 billion to help sick 9/11 responders yesterday - blocking the measure without letting it come up for a vote.
    Senate leaders invoked parliamentary rules, saying Sen. Hillary Clinton's (D-N.Y.) amendment to a measure funding port security was not "germane."

    People suffering the effects from 9/11's toxic dust were outraged by the move.

    "How could they just throw this out?" said Laura Picurro, of Toms River, N.J., whose husband, Joe, became disabled after doing volunteer iron work at Ground Zero.

    "Maybe they should talk to these sick and dying workers," she said. "I find it absurd they didn't even consider it."

    Clinton's amendment would have provided $5,800 a year for five years for each person sickened from Ground Zero exposure. She vowed to resubmit the measure or propose other legislation to help responders and nearby residents. "Their country should answer their calls for help," Clinton said.

    Although Clinton got stiffed on money for the sick, she did obtain passage of a measure to create a national monitoring system to keep tabs on people who suffer from responding to future attacks or disasters.

    Mayor Bloomberg, who has been reluctant to link the illnesses of 9/11 responders to their service, said he "absolutely" endorsed Clinton's proposal.

    "This was a national attack on the country, and I think the federal government has a responsibility," he said. "We cannot handle this ourselves. We just don't have enough money."

    He also inched toward accepting the idea that the workers' time at Ground Zero is making them sick - a proposition the city has resisted as it fights lawsuits from victims.

    "Clearly, people who worked on the site, or the closer they were, the more symptoms they have that are very troublesome," Bloomberg said.

    Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-Manhattan), who has been pushing the city and federal governments to do more, said she was encouraged by the mayor's statement. "The city's response is getting better by the day. Hopefully, the mayor will be able to get the Bush administration to face up to its responsibilities," she said.

    The FDNY's top medical officer also spelled out grim details of the health problems spawned by 9/11 in a City Council committee hearing yesterday.

    Dr. Kerry Kelly said the department found declining lung function among its members was 12 times worse after 9/11 than the five years before. She added that thousands had improved after treatment, however.

    After the hearing, union leaders slammed Congress. "Our call for help is being ignored," said Patrolmen's Benevolent Association President Patrick Lynch.

    Originally published on September 15, 2006

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    9/11-responders' health woes reach beyond NYC
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    By Devlin Barrett, Associated Press | August 26, 2006

    NEW YORK -- The lung problems of ground zero worker Jimmy Willis got so bad that he finally left New York, hoping the dry air of Nevada would blow away the after-effects of toxic World Trade Center dust.

    But when he moved two years ago, Willis also left behind New York-based medical expertise on Sept. 11-related illnesses, joining a diaspora of hundreds of ground zero rescue workers scattered throughout the United States.

    It is a population many health specialists, union leaders, and politicians say is vulnerable to poor medical treatment because the government delayed the release of guidelines that would help doctors nationwide diagnose and treat illnesses linked to the attacks. A standard medical protocol for healthcare workers is one element of what a growing chorus of advocates says should be a long-term, national program to test and treat sick workers.

    Five years after the attacks, Willis, 51, has respiratory disease and gastro intestinal bleeding.

    ``I've been in and out of the hospital since I've been here," said Willis, a former transit worker and onetime union official now living in Las Vegas. ``But they weren't coming back with any answers, and I almost bled to death."

    The creation of testing guidelines, or protocols, was shelved for years. Most recently, officials indicated a release by the end of this year. The lag has been criticized by workers' advocates.

    ``It is outrageous that we don't have protocols five years out, and the consequences have been unfortunate for many workers, when their doctors across the country aren't trained to recognize specific symptoms," said Joel Shufro of the New York Committee for Occupational Safety and Health, a union group.

    The New York City Department of Health is crafting the protocols, but there is no set deadline for their release. At the same time, the federal government is promising a website to serve as a clearinghouse for Sept. 11 health information for people nationwide.

    ``We're working on it as quickly as we can. We want to make sure it's done right, and in a way that will provide a service to the responders," said Fred Blosser, a spokesman for the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health.

    The exact number of rescue workers who responded to the attacks is unknown, although estimates are more than 40,000. In New York, the focal point of research on Sept. 11-related illnesses has been Mount Sinai Medical Center; thousands have sought treatment there. Mount Sinai is expected to release its most significant findings on sick workers days before the fifth anniversary of the attacks .

    Beyond the city, there is a nationwide network of health clinics that offers medical screening to Sept. 11 workers.

    The program, run by the Association of Environmental and Occupational Health Clinics, has seen 664 patients, including 121 in the last year. Its clinics in 33 states offer a battery of tests for those worried that ground zero made them sick.

    Testing guidelines are crucial, however, to helping a doctor in any clinic or network recognize symptoms, said Kathy Kirkland, the association's executive director. She said standardized protocols can help alert healthcare workers to the less obvious ailments connected to ground zero work.

    Take the gastro intestinal problems afflicting Willis.

    ``That's fairly common among World Trade Center responders, but it's something a lot of clinicians wouldn't recognize, wouldn't know," she said.

    Or the lungs. A standard pulmonary test doesn't show the extent of Sept. 11-related damage because although it can measure lung capacity, it doesn't gauge the wear-and-tear inflicted on the organs, she said.

    ``A lot of guys on the surface seem to have normal lung function, but compared to what they had before, their lungs have aged a whole lot faster than they should have," Kirkland said. ``Again, that's not something the average clinician would think to check."

    The out-of-state rescue teams that responded have some advantages: On balance, they stayed on the smoking pit for fewer days, and many arrived with respiratory gear. Still, concerns linger .

    ``We still talk about it when someone gets sick," said firefighter Terry Trepanier, who returned to Ohio with ``World Trade Center cough" and failed his first lung test . ``In the back of our minds, we wonder if this is something from the World Trade Center, or is it just something else."

    Copyright 2006 Globe Newspaper Company.

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    wow that is a shame. remember the whole "we will never forgett 9/11" ...........till you guys that saved thousands of lives that day ask for some money because you got a bug down there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcfd45
    wow that is a shame. remember the whole "we will never forgett 9/11" ...........till you guys that saved thousands of lives that day ask for some money because you got a bug down there.
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    What the HECK are you talking about??? Because they got a "bug" down there???

    If that's truly what you believe, you need to do some reading and educate yourself about this issue.

    If you don't mean "bug", perhaps you need to fully consider your words before you start those fingers a-typin' - Just some friendly advice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris0871
    This really is such a human interest story there really should be more wide spread media coverage about this issue every American should know how these poor people are not getting the care they deserve .What's it going to take for congress to admit that this is a huge health crisis.
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    I apologize if you were being sarcastic and I misunderstood, mcfd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RspctFrmCalgary
    I apologize if you were being sarcastic and I misunderstood, mcfd.
    It's cool bro. no worries
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    I'm not a "Bro" LOL

    So ..... did I misunderstand? WERE you being sarcastic? Or did I give you an easy out?

    This is one of the consequences others were trying to explain to you regarding your comments/attitude in the Gauged Ears thread .... once people have formed an opinion based on someone's previous behaviour, they generally will always have that perception of that person.

    It is very hard to interpret the written word in a venue like this, so even if you didn't mean your comment the way I took it, you have set the tone for people's future perception of you.

    Sorry for the "lecture", just trying to get you to think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RspctFrmCalgary
    I'm not a "Bro" LOL

    So ..... did I misunderstand? WERE you being sarcastic? Or did I give you an easy out?

    This is one of the consequences others were trying to explain to you regarding your comments/attitude in the Gauged Ears thread .... once people have formed an opinion based on someone's previous behaviour, they generally will always have that perception of that person.

    It is very hard to interpret the written word in a venue like this, so even if you didn't mean your comment the way I took it, you have set the tone for people's future perception of you.

    Sorry for the "lecture", just trying to get you to think.
    Oh I understand. It is hard to understand written word because you don't see the faces, hands, and any other body language which helps us understand each other. About the gauged ears I decided to just pierce them not gauge em out. About the "bug" I now realize I may have put that in a bad term and I apologize to any offended. I meant to say that you guys are suffering from cancer, lung conditions, and countless other medical conditions. I hope the bill gets resent because it is BS that the senate struck it down. I wonder how many of them have seen the effects the 9/11 attacks had on the responders that were there.

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