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    No $2B for 9/11 heroes

    Senate dumps Hil's bid for med aid

    BY LISA L. COLANGELO and MICHAEL SAUL in New York
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    Senate Republicans killed a bid for nearly $2 billion to help sick 9/11 responders yesterday - blocking the measure without letting it come up for a vote.
    Senate leaders invoked parliamentary rules, saying Sen. Hillary Clinton's (D-N.Y.) amendment to a measure funding port security was not "germane."

    People suffering the effects from 9/11's toxic dust were outraged by the move.

    "How could they just throw this out?" said Laura Picurro, of Toms River, N.J., whose husband, Joe, became disabled after doing volunteer iron work at Ground Zero.

    "Maybe they should talk to these sick and dying workers," she said. "I find it absurd they didn't even consider it."

    Clinton's amendment would have provided $5,800 a year for five years for each person sickened from Ground Zero exposure. She vowed to resubmit the measure or propose other legislation to help responders and nearby residents. "Their country should answer their calls for help," Clinton said.

    Although Clinton got stiffed on money for the sick, she did obtain passage of a measure to create a national monitoring system to keep tabs on people who suffer from responding to future attacks or disasters.

    Mayor Bloomberg, who has been reluctant to link the illnesses of 9/11 responders to their service, said he "absolutely" endorsed Clinton's proposal.

    "This was a national attack on the country, and I think the federal government has a responsibility," he said. "We cannot handle this ourselves. We just don't have enough money."

    He also inched toward accepting the idea that the workers' time at Ground Zero is making them sick - a proposition the city has resisted as it fights lawsuits from victims.

    "Clearly, people who worked on the site, or the closer they were, the more symptoms they have that are very troublesome," Bloomberg said.

    Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-Manhattan), who has been pushing the city and federal governments to do more, said she was encouraged by the mayor's statement. "The city's response is getting better by the day. Hopefully, the mayor will be able to get the Bush administration to face up to its responsibilities," she said.

    The FDNY's top medical officer also spelled out grim details of the health problems spawned by 9/11 in a City Council committee hearing yesterday.

    Dr. Kerry Kelly said the department found declining lung function among its members was 12 times worse after 9/11 than the five years before. She added that thousands had improved after treatment, however.

    After the hearing, union leaders slammed Congress. "Our call for help is being ignored," said Patrolmen's Benevolent Association President Patrick Lynch.

    Originally published on September 15, 2006


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    9/11-responders' health woes reach beyond NYC
    Critics decry delay in release of federal guidelines on care
    By Devlin Barrett, Associated Press | August 26, 2006

    NEW YORK -- The lung problems of ground zero worker Jimmy Willis got so bad that he finally left New York, hoping the dry air of Nevada would blow away the after-effects of toxic World Trade Center dust.

    But when he moved two years ago, Willis also left behind New York-based medical expertise on Sept. 11-related illnesses, joining a diaspora of hundreds of ground zero rescue workers scattered throughout the United States.

    It is a population many health specialists, union leaders, and politicians say is vulnerable to poor medical treatment because the government delayed the release of guidelines that would help doctors nationwide diagnose and treat illnesses linked to the attacks. A standard medical protocol for healthcare workers is one element of what a growing chorus of advocates says should be a long-term, national program to test and treat sick workers.

    Five years after the attacks, Willis, 51, has respiratory disease and gastro intestinal bleeding.

    ``I've been in and out of the hospital since I've been here," said Willis, a former transit worker and onetime union official now living in Las Vegas. ``But they weren't coming back with any answers, and I almost bled to death."

    The creation of testing guidelines, or protocols, was shelved for years. Most recently, officials indicated a release by the end of this year. The lag has been criticized by workers' advocates.

    ``It is outrageous that we don't have protocols five years out, and the consequences have been unfortunate for many workers, when their doctors across the country aren't trained to recognize specific symptoms," said Joel Shufro of the New York Committee for Occupational Safety and Health, a union group.

    The New York City Department of Health is crafting the protocols, but there is no set deadline for their release. At the same time, the federal government is promising a website to serve as a clearinghouse for Sept. 11 health information for people nationwide.

    ``We're working on it as quickly as we can. We want to make sure it's done right, and in a way that will provide a service to the responders," said Fred Blosser, a spokesman for the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health.

    The exact number of rescue workers who responded to the attacks is unknown, although estimates are more than 40,000. In New York, the focal point of research on Sept. 11-related illnesses has been Mount Sinai Medical Center; thousands have sought treatment there. Mount Sinai is expected to release its most significant findings on sick workers days before the fifth anniversary of the attacks .

    Beyond the city, there is a nationwide network of health clinics that offers medical screening to Sept. 11 workers.

    The program, run by the Association of Environmental and Occupational Health Clinics, has seen 664 patients, including 121 in the last year. Its clinics in 33 states offer a battery of tests for those worried that ground zero made them sick.

    Testing guidelines are crucial, however, to helping a doctor in any clinic or network recognize symptoms, said Kathy Kirkland, the association's executive director. She said standardized protocols can help alert healthcare workers to the less obvious ailments connected to ground zero work.

    Take the gastro intestinal problems afflicting Willis.

    ``That's fairly common among World Trade Center responders, but it's something a lot of clinicians wouldn't recognize, wouldn't know," she said.

    Or the lungs. A standard pulmonary test doesn't show the extent of Sept. 11-related damage because although it can measure lung capacity, it doesn't gauge the wear-and-tear inflicted on the organs, she said.

    ``A lot of guys on the surface seem to have normal lung function, but compared to what they had before, their lungs have aged a whole lot faster than they should have," Kirkland said. ``Again, that's not something the average clinician would think to check."

    The out-of-state rescue teams that responded have some advantages: On balance, they stayed on the smoking pit for fewer days, and many arrived with respiratory gear. Still, concerns linger .

    ``We still talk about it when someone gets sick," said firefighter Terry Trepanier, who returned to Ohio with ``World Trade Center cough" and failed his first lung test . ``In the back of our minds, we wonder if this is something from the World Trade Center, or is it just something else."

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    wow that is a shame. remember the whole "we will never forgett 9/11" ...........till you guys that saved thousands of lives that day ask for some money because you got a bug down there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcfd45
    wow that is a shame. remember the whole "we will never forgett 9/11" ...........till you guys that saved thousands of lives that day ask for some money because you got a bug down there.
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    What the HECK are you talking about??? Because they got a "bug" down there???

    If that's truly what you believe, you need to do some reading and educate yourself about this issue.

    If you don't mean "bug", perhaps you need to fully consider your words before you start those fingers a-typin' - Just some friendly advice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris0871
    This really is such a human interest story there really should be more wide spread media coverage about this issue every American should know how these poor people are not getting the care they deserve .What's it going to take for congress to admit that this is a huge health crisis.
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    I apologize if you were being sarcastic and I misunderstood, mcfd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RspctFrmCalgary
    I apologize if you were being sarcastic and I misunderstood, mcfd.
    It's cool bro. no worries
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    I'm not a "Bro" LOL

    So ..... did I misunderstand? WERE you being sarcastic? Or did I give you an easy out?

    This is one of the consequences others were trying to explain to you regarding your comments/attitude in the Gauged Ears thread .... once people have formed an opinion based on someone's previous behaviour, they generally will always have that perception of that person.

    It is very hard to interpret the written word in a venue like this, so even if you didn't mean your comment the way I took it, you have set the tone for people's future perception of you.

    Sorry for the "lecture", just trying to get you to think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RspctFrmCalgary
    I'm not a "Bro" LOL

    So ..... did I misunderstand? WERE you being sarcastic? Or did I give you an easy out?

    This is one of the consequences others were trying to explain to you regarding your comments/attitude in the Gauged Ears thread .... once people have formed an opinion based on someone's previous behaviour, they generally will always have that perception of that person.

    It is very hard to interpret the written word in a venue like this, so even if you didn't mean your comment the way I took it, you have set the tone for people's future perception of you.

    Sorry for the "lecture", just trying to get you to think.
    Oh I understand. It is hard to understand written word because you don't see the faces, hands, and any other body language which helps us understand each other. About the gauged ears I decided to just pierce them not gauge em out. About the "bug" I now realize I may have put that in a bad term and I apologize to any offended. I meant to say that you guys are suffering from cancer, lung conditions, and countless other medical conditions. I hope the bill gets resent because it is BS that the senate struck it down. I wonder how many of them have seen the effects the 9/11 attacks had on the responders that were there.

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    Five years after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks, the plight of city workers who responded to Ground Zero and who have developed serious health problems has been well-documented, but much is still unknown about the well-being of 5,000 to 10,000 federal employees who also worked at the site. Even now, a number of officials say, the federal government can't supply a list of the employees who worked there, or say how many have fallen ill as a result. City, state and federal officials even disagree about how many people in all worked at Ground Zero.
    While city firefighters and other municipal workers have long-term health tracking programs such as one at Mount Sinai Hospital in Manhattan, federal employees were shut out of that monitoring program by funding rules. Instead, the Bush administration promised to monitor them, according to officials. A screening program for federal employees set up in 2003 was tabled after seeing just 394 patients, the General Accountability Office has reported. Two years passed before the program started up again late last year. Thus, fewer than 1,000 federal workers have been screened, the GAO found. What's more, little is known about the psychological stress that many who worked at Ground Zero complain of. "This complete lack of information perfectly illustrates the administration's utter disinterest in this crisis," said Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-Manhattan). "I don't have confidence that they will do anything for federal employees or anyone else until it fully acknowledges the crisis and makes a comprehensive plan for medical monitoring and treatment for everyone affected."
    Steven Centore, 49, of Flanders, was a U.S. Department of Energy scientist at Brook– haven National Laboratory. Five years ago, he monitored Ground Zero debris for radioactivity. Today, he suffers from both physical and psychological ailments, which he attributes to his work at the site. He was recently diagnosed with a compromised immune system and said he self-treated his anxiety and stress-related issues with alcohol. He is stricken with liver disease, walks with a cane, breathes heavily and tires easily. He now performs clerical work at the lab. In testimony last month before a congressional subcommittee examining Ground Zero issues, Centore said he worked at the site "out of a sense of duty and pride." He added that he suffered from ailments such as "severe post-traumatic stress disorder, anxiety disorder, as well as respiratory, gastrointestinal and circulatory problems." He said he was treated by the federal government as "just another data point" -- a statistic. "I have received no help or aid from the government with my health," he testified. In a letter dated Feb. 6, 2006, a Riverhead psychiatrist wrote Brookhaven National Laboratory and said Centore could not perform his job because he suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder attributable to his work at Ground Zero. The mental health of Ground Zero workers and responders such as Centore, experts say, remains largely unknown. "It's taken a number of years for some of the symptoms to show up because they were initially so focused on taking care of other people," said Susan Pinco, a New Jersey-based therapist who has worked with both firefighters and police officers who labored at Ground Zero. "At the same time, they are also facing significant physical ailments, which is something you don't see in other disasters, like the [bombing of the] Oklahoma City federal building."

    Wife sees change in husband

    In a recent interview at their home, Steven's wife, Susan, 46, showed photographs of Centore at Ground Zero. They show a young-looking, vibrant man. "To say he has aged is an understatement," she said. As he grapples with his health, Centore has been embroiled in a bitter struggle for government benefits. He tried to sign up for the Mount Sinai 9/11 health registry, but a federal funding rule barred him from the program. He has been waiting a year for rulings on claims for a disability retirement pension and federal workers' compensation. "It seems to me the government is waiting until I say 'no mas,'" Centore said. " ... I'm determined not to die before I collect something from them." To date, according to the U.S. Department of Labor, 1,392 federal workers have filed compensation claims related to 9/11, including 284 claims for occupational diseases they believe were caused by working at Ground Zero. The condition of federal workers is so murky that one employee organization had to do its own survey. "The unfortunate thing was that it took so long to have the federal screening program implemented," said Jon Adler, executive vice president of the Federal Law Enforcement Officers Association. "Hopefully, in the future, it will be handled differently." The lack of basic information about the numbers of affected federal workers spurred Maloney and Rep. Vito Fossella (R-Staten Island) to ask Labor Secretary Elaine Chao for an array of statistics on 9/11-related claims. Under pressure, the Bush administration has agreed to release $75 million this fall for improved medical monitoring programs of those who were exposed at Ground Zero. A Web site explaining the programs has been set up at hhs.gov/wtc. "Everybody is concerned and wants to do the best job possible to see monitoring and treatment program set up," said federal Health and Human Services spokesman Fred Blosser.
    For Centore, the months after 9/11 were hectic and stressful. He said he spent four years in a Department of Energy unit, searching for signs of radioactive "dirty bombs." The job, he says, sometimes meant going undercover in train stations and other public areas carrying radiation detectors in backpacks. At other times, the unit swept locations in New York City in advance of arriving dignitaries. The stressful job and the Ground Zero work, Centore says, took their toll. Afraid to lose his security clearance if he sought medical and psychiatric help, he admits that he self-medicated with alcohol. "They said if I go on medication, I would lose my security clearance," Centore said. Starting in summer 2005, Centore said he initially suffered blackouts and tremors, then panic attacks. He was diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder. In mid-January of this year, Centore had what he said was a nervous breakdown. He lapsed into a coma for four days at Mather Memorial Hospital. His gall bladder failed, followed by his liver, and his spleen. He experienced ulcers in his small intestine. Once able to jog four miles a day, Centore said he has lost 25 percent of his lung capacity."The doctor told the nurses not to get too attached to me," he said.

    Inhaled toxins blamed

    Centore believes toxins that he inhaled at Ground Zero hastened the liver problems. "My doctors tell me that my liver shouldn't have failed so quickly," he said. He showed a reporter some of his medical documents. As his health failed, Centore sought government benefits. He filed a federal workers' compensation claim in September 2005. The last contact he said he had on that was in the spring, when the U.S. Labor Department denied his claim. Department officials would not be interviewed about the specifics of Centore's claim. He said he has appealed and the case is pending. Meanwhile, as he waited, his wife, Susan, stayed up late each night looking for an institution that would treat him. "I couldn't find anything, and it was making him spiral even further down," she said. "He was just getting sicker and sicker." George Allen has a lot in common with Centore. Allen, 47, of Denver was a safety compliance officer at Ground Zero for the federal Occupational Safety and Health Administration. Prior to Sept. 11, 2001, Allen said he was fit -- a mountain climber and endurance athlete. A cancer screening just 90 days before the attack showed no signs of cancer, he said. After he worked at Ground Zero, he was diagnosed with colon cancer. Allen provided Newsday with some of his medical records that discuss his colon cancer. In addition, his doctor, Terry Grossman, said he is currently treating Allen for colon cancer. While colon cancer usually develops slowly, in Allen's case it manifested itself in 36 months. Allen believes that his exposure to toxins at Ground Zero accelerated the growth of the malignancy, something medical science has yet to prove or disprove."The government said they acknowledge my claims, that I had exposures, that I was not engaged in misconduct," Allen said. "But they said I had to prove a link between exposure and cancer."

    Experts said such links should be studied.

    "There are so many contaminants in the dust that are either carcinogenic or are cancer promoters, which means they increase the risk of cancer occurring," said David Carpenter, a professor at the University at Albany School of Public Health. "It's not unheard of for relatively young people to develop colon cancer. To really get the answer, you'd have to look at the whole population to see what the incidence is, and I don't believe that's been done yet." Allen, who retired from OSHA in April 2005, is preparing for a hearing next month on his federal workers' compensation claim, which was denied in March. "I can barely walk," Allen said in an interview. "I would be lying if I said I was not angry and despondent, but 30 years of climbing well-prepared me for the 'disease of suffering.'" Both Allen and Centore believe there are a lot more federal employees in the same boat. "I hope that my speaking would inspire other feds to come forward," he said. " ... Nobody is really representing the federal workers who have gotten sick."
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    October 10, 2006 -- Some $10.5 million was raised through the sale of the special "9/11 Heroes" postage stamp to aid injured World Trade Center emergency workers and the families of the fallen - but not for responders suffering posttraumatic stress disorder. The federal Emergency Management Agency has deemed that only responders with physical injuries, not the "psychologically disabled," are eligible for the benefits. FEMA has reportedly approved 1,215 applications, for benefits from sales of the 45-cent stamps. It has rejected 180 and deemed 530 incomplete.
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    October 15, 2006 -- The woman in charge of the $1 billion fund that's fighting claims by sickened World Trade Center rescue and recovery workers is collecting $350,000 a year plus benefits from the federal fund - a pay package that has stunned and angered advocates for the 9/11 responders.
    Christine LaSala, president and CEO of the city-controlled WTC Captive Insurance Co., which is managing the 9/11 fund created by Congress, gets the entity's top salary - which has never before been publicly revealed - plus $20,000 in health benefits for herself and her family, documents obtained by The Post show. Meanwhile, teams of lawyers hired by the fund to dispute and deny more than 5,000 claims for illnesses blamed on toxic exposure at Ground Zero earn up to $550 an hour for "senior partners," the records show. Other top lawyers working for the entity earn higher rates, sources said. The Post has reported that Captive, a self-insurance fund set up by the city in 2004 to cover claims from the WTC cleanup, had spent more than $40 million as of four months ago on overhead and lawyers. The company has refused to pay a single ill Ground Zero responder. LaSala, 56, a former partner at insurance brokerage Johnson & Higgins, took the helm of the captive in mid-2004. "It's amazing that Ms. LaSala gets $20,000 for health insurance while the 9/11 heroes she's fighting often have no health coverage at all," said Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-N.Y.). "If the city wanted someone to do nothing, I'm sure they could find someone a lot cheaper than $370,000 per year," Maloney said. "This salary could have helped a lot of sick and injured workers take care of their families." Patrick Lynch, president of the Patrolmen's Benevolent Association, which keeps a registry of cops suffering respiratory illness, cancer and other diseases since working at the toxic WTC pit and Fresh Kills landfill, was taken aback. "They're paying that kind of salary to someone overseeing a campaign where lawyers are working to deprive people of benefits for the illnesses they developed at Ground Zero," Lynch said. "9/11 responders are struggling with medical bills." LaSala's pay exceeds by $100,000 the $250,000 salary of Schools Chancellor Joel Klein, the highest-paid city employee, who oversees a $14 billion budget, 110,000 employees and 1.1 million kids.
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    Don't you get it dipshiats she gets paid that much to spin it any way she likes just like the media .You have to love this post 911 Country.
    When will you open your eyes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by klienbergtruth
    Don't you get it dipshiats she gets paid that much to spin it any way she likes just like the media .You have to love this post 911 Country.
    When will you open your eyes?
    Dont you get it nobody wants you hear troll. Carry your 9/11 conspiracy theory somewhere else and post it.
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    You guys honestly believe that our national defense machine could not stop these flights from hitting there targets or how about this maybe not stop them but at least warn the poor people of New York that they were on there way to crash in to the WTC "your response" Oh our country was caught off gaurd no one expected it not even the CIA knew about such an operation could exist "Ok so when the first one crashed what about the second one wouldn't we assume that the second one was well on its way in the same direction wouldn't you think someone would at least call new york to evacuate tower 2 .How about giving FEMA a heads up seeing they were there the night before doing military drills at the trade center maybe FEMA could of at least warn these poor basterds not to go back into the tower am I reaching any of you Drones out there in fantasy land?
    The faa f ucked up royally Norad f ucked up Royally East norad you guessed it F ucked up royally .How is it all these Generals and heads of departments F ucked up so bad and not one of these people has ever been held accountable for such gross misconduct not even questioned under oath .Dosen't this sound super strange to any of you .Wouldn't you want to know what happened just to get someone on the record under oath .

    well at least Im not the only one asking these important questions ?
    At least anyone with half a logical brain ......

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