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    Anyone want to place bets on this MUTT making 3,000 posts.



    To whom it may concern.

    Once, JUST ONCE. find an original idea rattling around in the vacum you call a cranium and post it.

    Don't post the blathering ranting of someone else, go find an Original thought.

    Take your time, days, weeks, months, years. We don't care, just find one.

    When you do. Hang on to it, keep it a secret, don't tell anyone else, in case the Guvmint steals it from you.

    And recognise this.

    It may be the only lucid moment of your misbegotten life.

    This was not started for you to hijack. It WAS started by people who were there on the day and working through the aftermath.

    It WAS started to share information amongst the people and provide information and support amongst themselves.

    Kia Kaha to the Brothers who stood that day.

    Kia Kaha to the Brothers that fell.

    As for yourself mr,miss,whatever

    One day when your world turns to shyte,

    DON'T CALL ME FOR HELP, CALL AN F'ING TERRORIST.
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    you dont want to read it thats fine most americans dont know how to read but here's the quick story as early of 2000 Able danger which is a new intelligence program has Mohamed Atta under surveillance one of the lead hijackers from 911 .They watch him for more then a year they want to pick him up but the CIA says he is off limits they cant understand why they have seen this suspect with other know terrorists and explosives.
    Imagine there surprise when they see his face on the governments list of 911 high jackers .They try to come forward and basically there told to shutup .They go before the 911 commission and Able Danger is not even mentioned .All document for Able Danger are destroyed it dosen't exist....

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    Your credibility and believability are sliding down the crapper as you ramble. don't you get it? quit posting in this thread. IT IS NOT HERE FOR YOU TO USE AS A VENT. (Whoa, that felt good....) If your so concerned about how this world is going, create a new thread, and post your thoughts. You are just angering people by blatantly disregarding their wishes and posting in a forum/thread that is not in any relation to your topic other than it being 9/11.
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    You just don't want to believe that we could have rouge CIA agents .Mohamed Atta was working for the CIA it's so obvious this guy loved strip clubs was a gambler paid for 300 dollar lap dances does this sound like radical islam?.
    And as far as this thread is concerned I've read them all and you know something your government dosen't care is it any wonder how could congress turn there backs on these first responders ?How is it possible why would they not help so many victims who are suffering from these toxins .
    If they admit they did wrong by not warning them what will happen when everyone in a 5 mile radius from ground zero starts feeling the effect from these toxins oh and trust me they will start to get sick esspecially the children. Who will pay for these people's medical bills your right not this Democracy ..They would rather see how long they can get away with it but who knows maybe some of them will grow some compassion..

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    I'm finished with you, (mainly because it is 2 am in the morning and I'm tired) but you do have authority issues. I didn't say stop your fight, I'm telling you to take it out of this THREAD...... It don't stop you from creating another thread, where people can ignore you if they want. This thread was not created for your ramblings, but to act as information about WTC responders. RESPONDERS, yeah thats right. NOT WTC POLITICS.

    Thankyou and good night.

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    And don't wait for the general media there as useless as tits on a bull.

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    Don't worry i'm done God Bless All the sick I'll do my best do get the word out .

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    Then why are you still viewing the thread?
    Are you really gonna leave?
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    October 18, 2006 -- A federal judge ruled yesterday that sick Ground Zero rescue and recovery workers who blame the city for their illnesses can have their day in court - putting the Big Apple on the hook for potentially billions of dollars Manhattan Judge Alvin Hellerstein rejected the city's bid to dismiss thousand of cases brought by firefighters, cops, and construction and utility workers who allege the city failed to protect them from toxic fumes. The city argued it had immunity from negligence lawsuits because it responded to terrorist attacks and made a "good faith" effort to protect the workers. But Hellerstein ruled the unprecedented disaster did not exempt the city from potential liability. Still, the judge said the workers still have to prove their case. "Whether plaintiffs will be able to make a showing of bad faith is a question of fact for the jury . . ." he said. Hellerstein said he's worried that the monumental case could drag on for years - which could hurt sick workers and taxpayers. A suit from the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center has lasted 13 years. He warned his ruling shouldn't be used as a "blank check to enrich lawyers with endless stratagems of motions and delays."
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    Can anyone say redtape...

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    No but I can say SPUD
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    October 20, 2006 -- In a move that's sparked outrage, Mayor Bloombag is attempting to cut new death benefits to families of retired cops and firefighters who die from Ground Zero-related work illnesses, Gov. Pataki and union officials charged yesterday. The governor said the law he approved in August is supposed to provide survivors of retirees who die from a World Trade Center-related sickness 100 percent of salary and benefits. City officials said the bill was incorrectly worded and insisted the 100 percent death benefits applied only to active responders who died from WTC-related illnesses - not retirees. The death benefit was spurred by retired Detective James Zadroga's death from lung disease after working for months at Ground Zero. Zadroga's 4-year-old daughter, Tyler Ann, is currently eligible for a 75 percent disability benefit, the family said. They said the mayor's action would actually cut the daughter's benefit to 50 percent. Bloombag, defending the ruling of his Law Department, said, "This was a law that we opposed because we didn't think it was appropriate - but, worse, it was poorly drafted." The mayor said the state Legislature and governor could pass an amendment to clear up the controversy, but until then, the 50 percent ruling stands. Pataki's office said the governor was stunned that the mayor was trying to stiff 9/11 families. "We strongly disagree," said Pataki spokeswoman Joann Rose. "Any technical problems in no way prevent the implementation of the bill as envisioned. The intent of the legislation was clear, the spirit of the law supports it and our first responders deserve no less than 100 percent salary protection in the event of the loss of one of our retired heroes covered under the WTC Death Benefit Law." The Patrolmen's Benevolent Association cried foul after the Law Department sent a memo to the police pension board ruling that the law entitles survivors of retirees to only half-salary. Families of cops and firefighters who die of 9/11-related illnesses while still on the payroll will get 100 percent. "There should be no difference in the benefits provided to the family of a police officer who was shot and killed in the line of duty or who becomes ill and dies from toxic exposure during the rescue, recovery or cleanup from the attack on the World Trade Center," said PBA President Patrick Lynch. Linda Zadroga, the mother of the dead detective, said she was shocked that the mayor was still fighting against providing benefits to survivors. "I thought this was signed into law. This mayor is heartless and a pompous ***. He doesn't understand how people live. Maybe he should live on $500 a week for a few months and see what it's like," Zadroga said. Detectives Endowment Association President Michael Palladino said, "The law will be revised to ensure that survivors get full benefits." A meeting of the city's pension board, slated for today, was canceled because of the controversy.
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    When Will The Health Effects Be Felt?

    Health effects are already appearing. Some of the first responders are already dying and it could be up to 30 years before the cancers, squamous cell and mesothelioma fully develop. Both can have an environmental root. Squamous Cell from chemical exposure and mesothelioma from asbestos.

    Bea and James Hardin, owners of a lead removal company in Portland, Oregon, shared their concerns for New Yorkers exposed to lead and other carcinogens over a long period of time.

    'Once lead, and we are sure asbestos to a degree, is in material fabric, YOU WILL NEVER GET IT OUT. It may get cleaned to an acceptable level of exposure, but you will never get it out.' Clothing, carpet and even stuffed toys can facilitate exposure to toxic substances from the dust. Some New Yorkers have opted to throw everything out they owned and move because it was the only way to be free of the WTC dust.

    I thought the Wall Street Crash of 1929 was the worst it could get downtown. I was wrong. Fine and coarse particles in the air are part of what was in the dense, light blocking dust that covered downtown Manhattan. According to the EPA "Several recently published community health studies indicate that significant respiratory and cardiovascular-related problems are associated with exposure to particle levels well below the existing particulate matter standards. These negative effects include premature death, hospital admissions from respiratory causes, and increased respiratory symptoms. Long-term exposure to particulate matter may increase the rate of respiratory and cardiovascular illness and reduce life span."

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    And the hits keep coming.
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    October 25, 2006 -- Doctors unveiled a tantalizing glimpse yesterday into why some firefighters may suffer from the "World Trade Center cough" while others who endured the toxic dust and fumes at Ground Zero are relatively healthy. Firefighters whose lung capacity deteriorated faster in the wake of 9/11 were more likely to be deficient in a key natural enzyme that protects against lung damage, according to a study of 90 of the 12,000 Bravest who responded to the attacks at Ground Zero. But Dr. David Prezant, the study's lead researcher and the FDNY's co-chief medical officer, cautioned against drawing too broad a conclusion from the report. "This is very, very preliminary information that cannot in any shape or form be translated into a diagnosis or treatment initiative," Prezant told the Daily News from Salt Lake City, where he presented his findings at a gathering of the American College of Chest Physicians. "It is only one small piece of a puzzle," he said. "We are trying to understand the science behind why some patients come down with World Trade Center respiratory diseases and others do not." However, the research could eventually help solve the puzzle years down the road, said Prezant, a lung specialist at Montefiore Medical Center. Using a blood test normally used to screen people at risk of early-onset emphysema, Prezant found that 11 of the 90 firefighters had low levels of an enzyme called alpha-1 antitrypsin, or A1AT. Of the 11, four had a significant deficiency of A1AT while seven had a moderate deficiency, the blood tests showed. But none had the most severe kind of genetic deficiency. All have the WTC cough."What this enzyme does is it protects the lungs from damage," said Dr. Mark Rosen, a pulmonologist at North Shore-Long Island Jewish Medical Center and president of American College of Chest Physicians."It prevents the destruction of lung tissue by a variety of mechanisms," he said. About 150,000 Americans have a severe shortage of A1AT, but many are undiagnosed. "Many more have a partial deficiency, and most of those people are not diagnosed for their whole lives because most of those people don't get sick" unless they are exposed to toxins such as cigarette smoke, Rosen said. Prezant stressed that trying to determine whether a particular disease - whether it's WTC cough or breast cancer - is due to genetic or environmental factors is a science that's still in its infancy. "It's not going to be one genetic trait" that is responsible for WTC cough, Prezant said. That's why simply testing responders for the enzyme won't be useful, he said. But the ongoing research at the FDNY is "on the cutting edge for trying to find future cures." A study published in August by one of Prezant's colleagues at Montefiore painted a grim picture of the lung ailments among the 12,000 firefighters who inhaled dust and smoke on 9/11 and in the following months. Those firefighters suffered a dramatic loss of lung capacity - 12 times the normal rate that occurs each year as people age, the study found.
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    Great...now Bloomturd will say that the Brothers had a pre-existing condition and therefore will not get the help they deserve....
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    And hes pushing to give city council members and other useless politicians a THIRTY percent pay raise. For a part time job.

    If this SOB was drowning, I'd throw him an anchor. Hypocrite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pwrstrkinsmketr
    And hes pushing to give city council members and other useless politicians a THIRTY percent pay raise. For a part time job.

    If this SOB was drowning, I'd throw him an anchor. Hypocrite.
    His name should be Doomberg. To see what he is really about look no further than the acronym for his title (I know the e is missing)

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    October 28, 2006 -- The feds yesterday released $40 million to treat World Trade Center rescue and recovery workers exposed to toxic air at Ground Zero, officials said. The medical aid will be distributed to the FDNY, Mount Sinai Medical Center, Bellevue Hospital/NYU School of Medicine, Queens College, the Long Island Occupational and Environmental Health Center and the Robert Wood Johnson Medical School of New Jersey. "Continued screening and monitoring will promote further scientific understanding of the nature of WTC health effects and will inform our work going forward," said Health and Human Services Secretary Mike Leavitt. About 30,000 responders have been screened under the WTC Medical Monitoring Program. Mount Sinai last month released a sobering study that found nearly 70 percent of WTC workers suffered from respiratory problems after working at or near "the pile." Some have developed cancer.
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    November 11, 2006 -- FDNY widow Portia Johnson describes cancer as the kryptonite that killed her Superman husband. The Brooklyn woman lost Vanclive Johnson to non-Hodgkin lymphoma when he was just 42 years of age, two years after he bravely rushed to the burning Twin Towers on Sept. 11, 2001. When he died on Aug. 22, 2003, Johnson weighed a fraction of the 245 pounds that had served him well when he played for the New England Patriots for a year before joining Ladder 25. "This is the best guy you could ever have met," Portia Johnson said at her Far Rockaway home yesterday. "One of his friends said Van was like Superman and cancer was kryptonite. "Yeah, I guess it was." Johnson's killer diagnosis came just 41/2 months before he died. The trigger was the back pain that caused him to take his first sick day in a 10-year career with the FNDY. Tumors eventually covered his back. He weighed just 170 pounds. A memory etched forever in his 13-year-old daughter Sheree's mind was watching her dad attend her elementary school graduation in a wheelchair. Three-year-old Van Jr. never got to meet his father. "It was cancer, cancer from 9/11 is what he said," his grieving wife told The Post. "I can blame it on that because he said it out of his own mouth." The release of a study finding higher rates of 10 cancers in firefighters came as little shock to Portia Johnson. " Maybe I'm not surprised because Van died. I was not the least bit surprised, unfortunately," she said. Portia Johnson lashed out at the FDNY and the city for failing to protect firefighters. "It's legal suicide," she said. "Make sure they are all right. Make sure they can do their job. If you are running into a building . . . there is a large probability they are not coming out. That's suicide." "I hope nobody else goes through this. I don't want anybody else to experience this. "No cop's wife, no one. That was my husband and my best friend. The other half of me."
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    January 11, 2006 -- There is more evidence that the number of people sick with 9/11 related illnesses is growing dramatically. So much so - there's a name for it -- "the World Trade Center cough". And there is a waiting list for victims seeking medical help. It's similar to what may have killed NYPD Officer James Zadroga who spent hundreds of hours at ground zero. His funeral was yesterday. It is a warning sign of what's to come: more and more people seeking help for deteriorating lung problems and chronic coughs linked to their work at ground zero. The numbers appear to be growing and the long term diagnosis is not good. Dr. Robin Herbert: "There is a certain core group of people who have become very ill as result of their World Trade Center exposure and aren't getting any better." That core group, according to the co-director of Mt. Sinai's World Trade Center Medical Monitoring Program, is estimated to be in the hundreds and growing. Dr. Herbert, Mt. Sinai Hospital: "We have a three to four month waiting period for new patients to come into our treatment program because the demand is so tremendous."
    John Graham: "My lungs are burnt from the concrete dust."

    John Graham is not getting any better.

    John: "I have a severe breathing problem ... the tests are clear I had no breathing problem before 9/11."

    As a carpenter, he helped in the clean-up at ground zero for months breathing in the toxic mix of fumes he says destroyed his lungs and made it impossible for him to work.

    His fear now is a battery of powerful drugs will eventually fail to keep him alive.

    John: "Every breath I take hurts that much more it's exhausting."

    Marie Pellegrino: "His health went downhill starting with that cough, and that cough started at ground zero."

    Chris Pellegrino worked for months as a cable installer at ground zero, months of breathing in poisonous smoke and dust. He developed "the World Trade Center cough," his lungs disintegrated, he lost his job. When he died at age 42, he looked nearly as old as his mother.

    Marie Pellegrino, mother: "If I could change places with him I would have."

    The NYPD said goodbye to one of its detectives yesterday. His friends and family believe "the World Trade Center cough" killed him at age 34. And last summer, an Eyewitness News investigation broke the story on the death of a 41-year-old FDNY medic from the killer cough. Mt. Sinai is currently treating 1,600 people with similar symptoms, and hundreds more are on a awaiting list. With that list growing, the government has yet to spend a dime on medical treatment. Dr. Herbert: "To date at this point there's been no public funding available to provide treatment for WTC responders with illness and it's really a sad and terrible situation." There is some hope that Congress will set aside some funds for the treatment of those with World Trade Center illness, but more than four years after 9/11, they're still trying to work it out.
    So sad to read about the large number of firefighters and rescue personel who fearlessly and selflessly gave their life and health to help a fellow man. RIP brothers...

    This is one reason why i have the upmost respect for those in fire service and public safety. everyday, firefighters and emts put their life on the line and on hold to save the life of a stranger.

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    Ok, this may be a long shot but i think the brotherhood of firefighters can do something about this. No, we can fight the government, but we can offer some help. Anyone interested in trying to put something together to help please send me a PM.

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    WASHINGTON -- A provision in the new 9/11 health bill may be adding insult to injury for people who fell sick after their service in the aftermath of the 2001 Al Qaeda attacks, The Huffington Post has learned.

    The tens of thousands of cops, firefighters, construction workers and others who survived the worst terrorist assault in U.S. history and risked their lives in its wake will soon be informed that their names must be run through the FBI’s terrorism watch list, according to a letter obtained by HuffPost.

    Any of the responders who are not compared to the database of suspected terrorists would be barred from getting treatment for the numerous, worsening ailments that the James Zadroga 9/11 Health And Compensation Law was passed to address.

    It’s a requirement that was tacked onto the law during the bitter debates over it last year.

    The letter from Dr. John Howard, director of the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health, informs medical providers and administrators that they should begin letting patients know before the new program kicks in this July.

    “This is absurd,” said Glen Kline, a former NYPD emergency services officer. “It’s silly. It’s stupid. It’s asinine.”

    “It’s comical at best, and I think it’s an insult to everyone who worked on The Pile and is sick and suffering from 9/11,” said John Feal, a former construction worker who lost half a foot at Ground Zero and runs the advocacy group Fealgood Foundation.

    The provision was added in an amendment by Rep. Cliff Stearns (R-Fla.) during the heated debate over the bill in the House Energy and Commerce Committee last May.

    Sept. 11 responders in the committee room at the time mostly shook their heads at the move, which Democrats accepted on a voice vote after battling to bar other amendments on abortion and immigration that might have killed the bill.

    But suddenly the point is no longer just a strategic concession to get a law passed.

    As doctors and administrators begin acting on the federal instructions, participants in the 9/11 treatment and monitoring programs will soon be told that their names, places of birth, addresses, government ID numbers and other personal data will be provided to the FBI to ensure they are not terrorists.

    Howard's instructions include a sample letter to responders designed to minimize alarm.

    “Although neither we nor [the Centers for Disease Control]/NIOSH anticipate the name of any individual in the current Programs will be on the list, CDC/NIOSH is expressly required by law to implement this particular requirement of the Act,” it says.

    “Thank you for your understanding. We look forward to working with you and ensuring that you continue to receive uninterrupted services under the new WTC Health Program,” it concludes.

    Feal, who counts hundreds and first responders in his foundation's membership, predicted the letters would not go over well.

    “When cops and firefighters get this at home, they’re going to hit the roof,” he said.

    Kline, who sits on the Fealgood Foundation’s board, said he personally wasn’t offended, but couldn’t think of a good reason for cops and firefighters to be screened by the FBI in order to keep getting treatment.

    “I mean, who are we even talking about -- the undocumented workers who cleaned the office buildings?” wondered Kline Thursday. “We know who all the cops, firefighters and construction workers were. They’re all documented.

    “Is the idea that a terrorist stayed to help clean up? And then stayed all these years to try and get benefits?” he asked. “In all the things I’ve seen out of Washington, this probably takes the cake.”

    Some are more understanding.

    “Do we want terrorists getting money? No,” said Anthony Flammia, a former NYPD Highway Patrol officer and Sept. 11 responder. “How do you know if there were any terrorists there? Where they there as observers, watching? Probably.”

    But he noted that his perspective likely would not be shared, especially if people whose names are similar to actual terror suspects get flagged, as happens with air travelers.

    “I’ve got nothing to hide, so it’s no big deal for me, but there’s got to be safeguards in place to protect the people who are innocent,” Flammia said. “It’s going to be controversial,” he added. “It’s probably going to create an uproar, but I think it will dissipate. I hope they're ready to answer people's questions.”

    Congressman Stearns said in a statement that his intent was to answer exactly the questions raised by Flammia.

    “This amendment was adopted in the full Energy and Commerce Committee without opposition and it merely requires that the names of those receiving health benefits be cross-checked with the terrorist watch list to ensure that no terrorists get these benefits,” Stearns said.

    “These benefits are not just for our first responders; nearly anyone who was in the vicinity or worked on a cleanup crew afterward is eligible,” he noted.

    The prohibition is included in two parts of the bill. One specifically covers responders, while the other deals with all survivors, including office workers, bystanders and residents.

    Feal acknowledged that the terrorist screening has to be done because it is the law, and that the letters have to go out.

    But he holds Stearns responsible, as well as several other Republicans who were hostile to the 9/11 bill, and tried to tack all manner of amendments onto it.

    “I think Congressman Stearns is stabbing at pettiness. He’s a buffoon,” Feal said. “We get sicker and die, and they’re going to disseminate a letter wondering whether we’re terrorists or not. ... I think everybody needs to start showing a little more compassion.”
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    FF. Kevin Bracken Engine 40 *
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    FF. Michael Roberts Ladder 35 *
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