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    Default Fully involved highrise. And I do mean fully. (picture)

    Ummmm...Yeah. Thats a career fire. Deck gun should be able to handle this.


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    Talking My how wonderful!

    Just a thought -and seeing as another thread is in its death throes--wouldn't it be great to turn out to lots of these each shift?

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    psssh.....Can job.....1 and 1, the rest fast.....

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    I can just hear it now, Engine ? on scene, smoke showing from D side, will be investiga....um....dispatch, go ahead and send a 5th alarm assignment.
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    "...and Dispatch....start the Super Scopper aircraft as well."

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    WTF?!? Anybody know were thats from? That looks like a good day to be off duty.

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    Engine 1 to dispatch we have a working fire at this location, fire is on floors 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, AND 30. Send in all county units!!!

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    Not fully involved.

    Fire on a lower floor, with extension up the exterior of the building. Note no smoke from the other sides of the building.

    A hell of a fire nonetheless. Abotu a ten thousandth alarm in some places around here.
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    mistaken citizen returning in service...

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    At what point do you evacuate the neighboring building, and create a giant collapse zone ?

    That is also a nice WALL of smoke.
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    Talking Ummmmmmmmm.................... .

    I don't know about y'all, but I'd be plowing a line around it, about 5 miles downwind. Actually, that smoke tells me that there is one hell of a wind blowing at that point. That translates into ordering apparatus for brand patrol downwind, and in this case, a LONG way downwind. I agree on establishing a collapse zone, and here, a "Flying Debris Zone" downwind as well. There are a couple of pieces of burning matrial seen in the photo, and they are moving downwind pretty far. Bou, any idea where this happened?
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    I would probably be notifying the Arson Squad.

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    I bet this was the original dispatch:

    County to Engine xxx, respond to abc location for a report of smoke in the area
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2andfrom
    Just a thought -and seeing as another thread is in its death throes--wouldn't it be great to turn out to lots of these each shift?
    I officially nominate you for the big spoon award! Just making sure everything is stirred eh?
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    Harve stole my post!

    There must be some kind of wind blowing because there is NO smoke rising vertically above the building. Just knock out the the windows on the opposite side and let the wind blow the dang fire out!

    The vehicles all look western and the trees resemble palms - maybe the fire is in Mexico or maybe somewhere in the middle east?

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    "Caller stated he put a ciggarette in the garbage can by accident and the fire might be out of control...."
    Even the burger-flippers at McDonald's probably have some McWackers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EFD840
    Harve stole my post!

    There must be some kind of wind blowing because there is NO smoke rising vertically above the building. Just knock out the the windows on the opposite side and let the wind blow the dang fire out!

    The vehicles all look western and the trees resemble palms - maybe the fire is in Mexico or maybe somewhere in the middle east?
    Cyincal little b#$@%^d that I am...

    It would be interesting to know the source. Digitally manipulated photo? Its possible.

    Look at the smoke. It is going completely horiztontal. If there was a strong wind and there was no compromise top the windows on the opposite side of the building, why wouldn't the smoke below the roof line be going, atl east partially upward? Especially considering the quantity of heat energy generated to cause complete extensionup the face of a high-rise.

    Also, the smoke line and the roof line are perfectly aligned. Also, the flags on the pole in the foreground are not blowing consistent with the wind currents needed to blow the smoke horizontally.

    Not definite, but until I can see the date, time and location of this fire, I remain skeptical.

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    Good job detective.

    It has to be fake, plus with a fire like that, I am sure it would have been on the front page of Firehouse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmitchell
    It has to be fake, plus with a fire like that, I am sure it would have been on the front page of Firehouse.
    not if it happened in the 80's, or early 90's........
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI
    Cyincal little b#$@%^d that I am...
    Also, the flags on the pole in the foreground are not blowing consistent with the wind currents needed to blow the smoke horizontally.
    Banners appear to have bottoms tied down (a common practice). So given their shape they are actually catching considerable wind.

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    It is in the middle east, I forget where, the picture is pretty old.
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    If you look at the flags, they are secured top and bottom so they couldn't blow sideways. The one on the right is blowing as far to the that side as it can which indicates to me the wind is blowing in that direction.

    The smoke on the lower floors is rising as it moves away from the building. The smoke at the top appears to be blown completely horizontal, totally overcoming the fact that heat rises. It is also denser smoke up higher, which is indictive of the smoke from below rising to that level. I count at least 30 floors on that building, it is WAY up there. I suppose it is possible that the winds up that high are stronger than the winds at ground level. If that is the case, that would explain the rising smoke at the bottom and the horizontal smoke at the top.

    Of course, it could also be a photoshop and I'm no investigator, but the logic I applied to it seems to make sense as a possibility.
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    I belive this might be the building in madrid spain

    check out the links
    http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/spain_fire_2005.html
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4263667.stm

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI
    Not fully involved.

    Fire on a lower floor, with extension up the interior of the building. Note no smoke from the other sides of the building.
    George- I knew someone was going to comment on the entire building not being involved. But you? Naaaaa.

    I asked your buddy Captain Bob and he said "fully involved" too.

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    I don't think its the Spain fire... looks like different nearby buildings.

    I'm on the fence about this one being digitally enhanced... I agree with George that the banners appear to be blowing say front to back on the picture and the smoke looks right to left. That couple with the minivan in the pic appearing to have its windows down(don't know if that's relevant or not but an observation none the less) in the smoke.

    The only thing that makes me doubt myself is what appears to be falling debris from within the smoke plume and if it is 'artistic' they did a good job of getting it in some random windows without overlaying the window frame.

    Perhaps a construction debris disposal chute down the building? Don't know, but either way, I think the booster line should be knock it, no SCBA needed!?!

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