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    I need to clarify some things, I made some mistakes in my first Post. NFPA 1931 does not require you paint the top of your ground ladders. NFPA is just a regulatory agency and I knew that, so I apoligize. 1931 states that IF you do mark the top of your ground ladders you are to mark the top 18 inches. Just once again looking for some info on what departments do. Also, what color you use and how many runs etc. So hopefully that clears it up, Thank you for the good ideas, hope to see more coming.

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    Question - If NFPA requires it, why aren't ladders manufactured with reflective tips?

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    We just redid ours with that red/white reflective tape you see on tractor trailers. Very effective. If I can find them I'll post pictures of them at a fire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MEAN15
    Question - If NFPA requires it, why aren't ladders manufactured with reflective tips?

    It's just one more thing to increase the price of production and in effect, drive up the end price for the consumer. Plus since not everywhere recognizes NFPA, and there is no accepted "right way to do it", its not practical to mark the end of every ladder at the factory.
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    We do five rungs in red.
    When opening up the roof remember plywood comes in 4' X 8' sheets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KEEPBACK200FEET
    It's just one more thing to increase the price of production and in effect, drive up the end price for the consumer. Plus since not everywhere recognizes NFPA, and there is no accepted "right way to do it", its not practical to mark the end of every ladder at the factory.
    If NFPA requires it, the builders have to do it. The only way they wont is if the rig is going to a state that requires something different, or the department signs a waiver.

    Ive never heard of this "requirement", nor have I seen any new aerials with it. Ours tip is just regular paint, same color as the body.
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    Is this aerial ladders or ground ladders???

    I see the beams(?) of aerials painted a contrasting color frequently, which I believe is mainly to help the operator see the tip when positioning it.

    I haven't seen it with ground ladders.

    My only concern with tape or paint is to watch out for materials that make it more slippery...wonder if that road paint with glass beads in it offers traction kind of like mixing sand in with the paint when you paint a wooden deck.

    Other than the concern about slipperiness, and routine maintenance to touch up the paint, I can't think of a draw back to having a reflective tip on the ladders aerial or ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalmatian190
    Is this aerial ladders or ground ladders???
    Hmmm, I thought they were talking about aerial ladders. Ive not seen a painted ground ladder for over 20 years. Of course, they were wooden ladders with white tips.

    Ive not heard of this either. How new is this standard? Ill stick with what I said about builders and NFPA. The ground ladder companys already have to meet other NFPA requirements, reflective tips, if required, would be no different.
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    Ours are ground ladders.
    When opening up the roof remember plywood comes in 4' X 8' sheets.

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    IIRC we did have some flourescent orange on a couple of tips but in general they are not marked. I know there is no markings on our bucket !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave1983
    If NFPA requires it, the builders have to do it. The only way they wont is if the rig is going to a state that requires something different, or the department signs a waiver.

    Ive never heard of this "requirement", nor have I seen any new aerials with it. Ours tip is just regular paint, same color as the body.


    That's not necessarily true. What about the non-NFPA compliant helmets that only have bourkes eyeshields? Since we are talking about ground ladders here and not aerials;we are only talking about having to comply to an OSHA regulation.
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    All the aerial rigs we have, has the tip or last 24 inches painted with high visible international orange paint. Even with the old rigs of years back, we painted the end of the aerial white so it could be seen over the roofs edge. We even got some reflected silver paint from the hydrant maintenance guys and painted the tip, until we got reflective tape from the traffic sign shops and used that.

    The ground ladders, wood or aluminum were always painted 18 inches on the tip as well as the butt of the ladder. Sure made it easy to see on a dark gloomy night, tip or butt!
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