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    Our Dept. is looking into the possiblility of replacing an old Engine with a Quint. Station size is an issue though. Anyone out there have a newer 75' quint, 1250 min. pump, 500 gal H2O, & a single axle that is 36 foot OAL or less? Can be mid or rear mount but at least a medium duty ladder. (Overall length means just that! Not just the length of the chasis. Extreme tip to extreme tip) Let us know. We may want to check it out. Thanks.

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    Seagrave seems to have sold quite a few Meansticks that according to the brochure are 35 feet long, tip to rear bumper.
    If seagrave has one, I suspect most of the major builders have a model to fit your requirements. To include Pierce, E-One, others.

    http://www.seagrave.com/Products/Aer...meanstick.html

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    I would think any reputable builder could do it for you. Our 105' Pierce is only 37' long, so I would think they could do a 75' on a single axle at 35' or less. Another one to keep in mind, even though I personally am not a fan for many reasons, is Metz. They build a 100' or 105' (not 100% sure) on a 35' truck.

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    You have a drawing of that 105?

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    I just seen a 2005 " Pierce Arrow XT" 75' aerial demo apparatus it was 36'-4" O.A.L. Ladder tip to rear step. The " Seagrave Meanstick " is 35.08' or 421" total O.A.L. The E-One HP 75 is 36'-6" to 38'
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    MaximI,

    We took Deliver of an E-One HP75 in December. I have the drawings right here. Looks like it could work with OAL of 36'6" not sure if they can steal anymore from the Pump Panel Module to get you a bit shorter. Also if the OAH is a concern; we are at 11'4".

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    CaptainS,

    Do you mean the Pierce 105' or the Metz? I'm sure I could get you drawings of our Pierce, we don't have a Metz although our neighbors do. I think their Metz is right around 35'.

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    The drawings I have for a Metz on a single axle, 100 footer are 34'-1".

    Again - they aren't conventional aerials by U.S. standards, but are unique and offer a European concept to the U.S. market. Some departments have found that they work for their needs, other chose something different.

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    Check out the Dash 2000 by Pierce.

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    Our dept has a 2004 American LaFrance Eagle 75' Telesqurt that has a 1500 gpm pump, 500 gallon tank and is on a single rear axle. I just checked my tech data on this truck and the OAL is 36' 7".

    If you want to email me at osh599@yahoo.com, I will send you some photos of this truck. Now depending on the apparatus manufacturer, you may or may not be able to find a quint of this size under 36' but ours is close to what your looking for.

    This truck was spec'd on a pumper chassis. I will provide any information that I can to assist you with this.
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    Stay away from Metz!!! Metz does not meet NFPA in mutiple areas!! I can list them all if someone really wants them but there are quite a few. If you are looking for a Quint E-One Has the HP75, you can get 500 gallons of water, 115' ground ladders, regular or roll-up doors, a sidestacker hosebed design (to allow loading of hose without raising the laddder), largest handrails in the industry, widest fly sections in the industry, and plenty of other features to consider. Check it out at:

    http://www.e-one.com/aerialshp75.asp

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    Being a follow Vermonter but to the extreme north your post caught my eye.

    Trucks in State similar to what you are asking about that I know of are St.Albans Town ( just in service 640SATFD), Hartford, Burlington all E-One's that are less than 5 years old.

    You may want to look at Sutphen, not sure on the size but Winooski, Barre and Montpelier all have single axle quints from them.

    Mallets Bay has a newer ALF/LTI quint. Not sure on details.

    If you have a committee formed and are serious Contact Dan Descorcie E-One, Jason Henske Pierce, Glen Davis HME or any other reps and they will help you out. I have dealt with all three of these reps and they will answer your questions and get you the information you ask for. I don't know the ALF or Sutphen reps for VT.

    This is first hand knowledge, nobody pays me, just a Chief that has / is working with these three gentlemen and they are all there to help.

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    Thank you to all that responded. I'll pass on the info to our truck committee.

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    The Barre and Montpelier aerials are 75' platforms. I believe Winooksi is a 100' platform. There's another one up in Chittenden county too...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Res343cue
    The Barre and Montpelier aerials are 75' platforms. I believe Winooksi is a 100' platform. There's another one up in Chittenden county too...
    Winooski is a single axle Sutphen, Colchester Center is a tandem axle, not sure on the aerial device length but the truck is more than the required OAL of 36 feet.

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    My department's headquarters company is looking into replacing 2 trucks, our Pierce aerial (1975?) and a 1980-something Stuphen (spelling?) pumper. There is a group of people on the Board that runs the FD that is considering purchasing a quint. The only problem they see (this is what I've heard at least) is that there are a number of concerns with the difficulty of operating a rig that is both a pumper and an aerial. If we do purchase a quint, it will be first-due to all fire alarms, working fires, etc. I think it would be an interesting rig to train on, but there are people who know better than me I suppose.

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    27,

    Your 105 would be great. Have a 75' now, need 100. Members dont want twin screw because of "length".

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by BPFire1618
    My department's headquarters company is looking into replacing 2 trucks, our Pierce aerial (1975?) and a 1980-something Stuphen (spelling?) pumper. There is a group of people on the Board that runs the FD that is considering purchasing a quint. The only problem they see (this is what I've heard at least) is that there are a number of concerns with the difficulty of operating a rig that is both a pumper and an aerial. If we do purchase a quint, it will be first-due to all fire alarms, working fires, etc. I think it would be an interesting rig to train on, but there are people who know better than me I suppose.
    There are numerous factors to consider where Quints are concerned. If you are replacing an Engine & a Truck with a Quint, it could effect your ISO rating. Although that may not be a concern for the department, it may be a concern for the Town Board. If you are looking for help, visit our website: www.ewfac.com or call us @ 1-866-843-1075 and we can take a look at your situation. Thank you.

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    CaptainS- Our 105' is a great rig, however I was wrong on the OAL. The 37' I quoted must be the length of the frame rails. The travel length of the truck (got out the tape measure last night) is 39'. It is still plenty manueverable (sp?) and it's a '97. I'm sure a new one with TAK-4 would be even better. It is on the apparatus section of our website www.palmerfire.org.

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    Thanks Brother much apprciated.

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    2415,You keep saying the Metz is NOT NFPA compliant.The HT 105 IS NFPA compliant.I have no interest financial or otherwise in Metz.But compliant is compliant and I didn't make the criteria which determines that.And they ARE a well built machine.And,as I have stated repeatedly on these forums,people that have them either love 'em or hate 'em. T.C.

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    If your still looking for a great function quint, call the Smeal dealer for New England. My dept. just ordered an 85' quint tower from Smeal. The towns to either side of us own 75' Smeal quints and they came highly reccommended. Smeal as built St. Louis Quint fleet. The NE dealer #203 239-5678.

    Also read that the city of Worcester, Ma just ordered 2 Aerails from Smeal.

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    Beware of putting all that weight on a single rear axle. It can be done, but you'll pay for it in more frequent brake jobs, longer stopping distance, and a lower equipment allowance. Just because the manufacturer will do it doesn't mean it's a good idea.

    We have 2 Pierce 75' ladders on single rear axles. The older one (1991) runs as a Truck, but has a pump, hose chutes, and a 300 gal tank. It has insufficient compartment space for a truck co, and has had springs and brake issues due to excess weight. For a time we were running it with an empty H2O tank due to the overloading issue. The other is a 2003 that runs as an engine co, engine ladder complement only, not enough hosebed space and we could only get 450 gal of water without losing the full loose equipment allowance. They offered us 500 gals with split rims on the rear axle, we knew that would be a problem and gave up the 50 gals. As an engine it probably runs 75% EMS, and had to have the brakes completely rebuilt after 12K miles.

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    You have to consider what the aerial is built with. The E-One and Sutphen are made from aluminum and are lighter. The Suphen is perhaps the lightest due to the huck bolt process and the fact they do not have a heavy torque box. A neighboring department just bought a 75' single axle platform from Sutphen. It has a 2000 gpm pump, foam system, 1200 5" hose and 500 gallon tank.

    My question to gunnyv - If 75 % of the calls are EMS based, why send a ladder truck. Seems foolish to me to send a truck ( aerial ) out on first responder / ems calls.

    Check to weight on the front and rear axles loaded with personnel and see how much the truck weights. Then check to see what your axles are designed for. I bet you are over the rated capacity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rescuemaster
    My question to gunnyv - If 75 % of the calls are EMS based, why send a ladder truck. Seems foolish to me to send a truck ( aerial ) out on first responder / ems calls.

    Check to weight on the front and rear axles loaded with personnel and see how much the truck weights. Then check to see what your axles are designed for. I bet you are over the rated capacity.

    We run ALS Engine cos, and wanted a standard engine. The Chief wanted another ladder "for ISO", so it became a quint.

    The 1991 Truck has had much of the equipment removed from it, due to getting a new Rescue. At the time it had all the problems, they ran it over scales to evaluate the weight, it was always just under max. They also checked that it was not overloaded on 1 axle (front to back)or 1 (right or left)side.

    The 2003 Quint is slightly under weight. Truck is carrying less than the weight it was engineered for. But that also means it runs all the time at it's maximum rated load. I believe it is also a function of drivers too heavy on the gas and the heavy traffic in their first due-lots of stop-n-go.

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