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    Default Another video

    Before you hit play you might need to let this one load for a few minutes. It's about 8 minutes long.

    http://www.station46.com/St%20Augustine%20video.htm
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    Thanks for the cool (HOT) video. I see you had a talk with the camera person about maintaining a steady hand........LOL

    I'm amazed the car didn't ignite, but I'll bet the paint blistered. It was probably worth more than the house.

    Gotta bust your chops....What's with the funny red hose?? An oversized booster line??

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    That makes for a good training video. Red hose... 1 3/4.. we use the same lines here, and yes there red..... My crew watched the video. Then are Captain said what would you guys done. Man did we have alot to say. Houston F.D. must be a N F P A dept. I will say every thing was by the book.

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    I must say, H.F.D. has some good fires, lots more videos on there site. But i must ask. Ive seen them all and i dont know. Did they put the fires out, our did the fire run out of fuel.......

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    i hope you are kidding? about saying they are by the book? going into a fully involved house fire? what was there to save?? the car out front was the only thing there worth trying to save. guy walking around with no gear on? who ever that idot was pulling hose and grabbing stuff without his gear on need to go back to school and learn that u must have your gear on when working a fire scene, if he was the driver then stay with the truck. that video was about as bad as watching a bunch of vollies that have not had a fire in awhile just fighting fire with no gear on! comon guys really that was a video of what not to do! house like that should have been surround and drown!! no need to have gone in, the guys walking around with no helmets, or anything on!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tailboardrider
    i hope you are kidding? about saying they are by the book? going into a fully involved house fire? what was there to save?? the car out front was the only thing there worth trying to save. guy walking around with no gear on? who ever that idot was pulling hose and grabbing stuff without his gear on need to go back to school and learn that u must have your gear on when working a fire scene, if he was the driver then stay with the truck. that video was about as bad as watching a bunch of vollies that have not had a fire in awhile just fighting fire with no gear on! comon guys really that was a video of what not to do! house like that should have been surround and drown!! no need to have gone in, the guys walking around with no helmets, or anything on!
    In your perfect world, did you happen to hear the radio traffic about a report of someone in the building?

    Are there a lot of cellar holes where you work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tailboardrider
    i hope you are kidding? about saying they are by the book? going into a fully involved house fire? what was there to save?? the car out front was the only thing there worth trying to save. guy walking around with no gear on? who ever that idot was pulling hose and grabbing stuff without his gear on need to go back to school and learn that u must have your gear on when working a fire scene, if he was the driver then stay with the truck. that video was about as bad as watching a bunch of vollies that have not had a fire in awhile just fighting fire with no gear on! comon guys really that was a video of what not to do! house like that should have been surround and drown!! no need to have gone in, the guys walking around with no helmets, or anything on!
    Theres one in every group. Probally hasnt been in a fire. Forreal alot of firefighters enjoy going in a structure involved like that h@#$ I would. Dont pay him no attention bro youll keep doing what you do. Good job. Besides even if they said wasnt no one in there I would swear I heard someone say there was just to go play a little bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tailboardrider
    i hope you are kidding? about saying they are by the book? going into a fully involved house fire? what was there to save?? the car out front was the only thing there worth trying to save. guy walking around with no gear on? who ever that idot was pulling hose and grabbing stuff without his gear on need to go back to school and learn that u must have your gear on when working a fire scene, if he was the driver then stay with the truck. that video was about as bad as watching a bunch of vollies that have not had a fire in awhile just fighting fire with no gear on! comon guys really that was a video of what not to do! house like that should have been surround and drown!! no need to have gone in, the guys walking around with no helmets, or anything on!
    Suround and drown??? You are joking right?

    Are there some issues that I though were a little odd? sure... like someone having to go get as he put it some pike poles...I would have figured the Truckies would have a few with them...but I don't know perhaps they had vaulted celings in that little shack...I can't tell. I wasn't there an all I can see doesn't look bad from what the video shows. Overall though it seemed pretty cut and dry to me.

    There was obviously an area to search to the rear of the structure...they appeared to place handlines between the fire and the areas to be searched and they knocked the fire down. I'm sure you work in some slashing outfit there buddy...tell us how the job is supposed to be...what "school" can we attend to learn these skills where you give up the fight as soon as one see's big red flames? To me stretching lines between possible occupants and the undamaged portion of the structure and the fire is about as basic as Engine Co operations get. What book or text do you subscribe to?

    All I can say if you were here and wouldn't at least attempt to make entry into that fire...for the remainder of your sorry azz career you would be labled a coward if not worse...I imagine the same goes for the HFD.

    I'm sure the HFD is glad they don't have you backing them up...go back to wherever you are from and bravely attack those fires from the street!

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    You know, kind of like Fred, there where a few more things in this video that made me scratch my head a bit...nothing serious though.

    But I will make this commentary, kind of set off by Tailboard's comment...

    going into a fully involved house fire?

    It is by far, far a more dangerous thing that firefighters can't properly size-up a fire than any lack of gear by the Engineers (I assume -- they guy who was moving hose & tools, and yes, kind of poked his head in the door at one point) is.

    That building, from what's on the video. was not fully involved.

    We'd be better off as a fire service if we did better training on things like size-up, determining where the fire is and what it is doing, etc then worrying if someone has their turnout gear on.

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    Question Protecting the vehicle

    This may sound like a dumb question to some of you, but how would you go about protecting the vehicle in front of the house? Is that something that would take a 'backseat' to the fire and any possible victims inside?

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    I think it was a great video. Keep them coming. I enjoy watching how other departments work. You can always pick up little things to put in your tool box. The only negetative thing I have to say has already been mentioned by FFFred and that is you have 2 hands so if you don't have the nozzle in one of them then you need to have 2 tools in them. I try all the time to preach that to the new guys at work. That house was far from being fully involved. Like FFFred said, if you didn't bust up in that house here then you would most definitely be called a p#$$y.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tailboardrider
    i hope you are kidding? about saying they are by the book? going into a fully involved house fire? what was there to save?? the car out front was the only thing there worth trying to save. guy walking around with no gear on? who ever that idot was pulling hose and grabbing stuff without his gear on need to go back to school and learn that u must have your gear on when working a fire scene, if he was the driver then stay with the truck. that video was about as bad as watching a bunch of vollies that have not had a fire in awhile just fighting fire with no gear on! comon guys really that was a video of what not to do! house like that should have been surround and drown!! no need to have gone in, the guys walking around with no helmets, or anything on!
    Hey Tailboard what there was to save was the personís propertyÖdidnít you learn that in fire school. I guess you havenít made many fires. Otherwise you would know how grateful people are when you can save them anything. I brought out a picture once from a fire where they lost 90 percent of their belongings and they held on to that picture and thanked me because it was theirs and we saved it. Sometimes itís the little things. Was my life worth that picture? YES it was. Other wise what am I doing this for. Funny how you bring up safety, but look at your name Tailboard riderÖya..Like thatís safe. If you think a two room fire calls for a surround and drown, then thank God youíre not on my department. I will give you this though. Although there shows a lot of unsafe practices and no amount of experience will save you without proper gear, itís just not real world. When you get some fires under your belt you will see that. And I donít mean that in a bad way either. I was a rookie once myself and thought that everything I learned in school was the bible and they way to do itÖ
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    anyone with another link to this file ... the initial link is down now
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    the site is down right now....check back in a little while...
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    Quote Originally Posted by GFDLT1
    That house was far from being fully involved. Like FFFred said, if you didn't bust up in that house here then you would most definitely be called a p#$$y.

    Well put bro

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    Quote Originally Posted by tailboardrider
    that video was about as bad as watching a bunch of vollies that have not had a fire in awhile just fighting fire with no gear on!
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    Quote Originally Posted by hfd838
    Was my life worth that picture? YES it was.
    I love how these boards ping pong all over the place. One minute we are talking about reducing LODD's and safety safety safety! The next minute we are macho men that dare not be a "pussy" and that a picture is worth a firefighter's life.

    Ho hum, what fun the Internet is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tailboardrider
    i hope you are kidding? about saying they are by the book? going into a fully involved house fire? what was there to save?? the car out front was the only thing there worth trying to save. guy walking around with no gear on? who ever that idot was pulling hose and grabbing stuff without his gear on need to go back to school and learn that u must have your gear on when working a fire scene, if he was the driver then stay with the truck. that video was about as bad as watching a bunch of vollies that have not had a fire in awhile just fighting fire with no gear on! comon guys really that was a video of what not to do! house like that should have been surround and drown!! no need to have gone in, the guys walking around with no helmets, or anything on!

    I cannot tell you how proud I am to work in a department that actually "fights" fire!
    I would be ashamed to be associated with a department that rolled to that scene and went defensive!

    "Surround and drown."?! Hopefully YOU are the one that is kidding!
    "Nothing left to save." Yeah, nothing of value to you perhaps, but most likely EVERYTHING this family had in the world!

    How many fires have you actually been to? And of those, how many have you actually made entry? Apparently not many if you cosidered this was "fully involved".

    I think overall they did a very good job. Keep up the good work guys!




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    Quote Originally Posted by WebFire
    I love how these boards ping pong all over the place. One minute we are talking about reducing LODD's and safety safety safety! The next minute we are macho men that dare not be a "pussy" and that a picture is worth a firefighter's life.

    Ho hum, what fun the Internet is.

    Somewhere around the middle is a path......

    Most places I know would have made a interior attack on that fire.

    Every place I know would have the decency not to rip a Department for what they perceived to be the "wrong" way to handle it.

    Like I said, listen to the tape, they talk about a possible victim.

    Like Dal said, it wasn't fully invovled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hfd66truck
    Somewhere around the middle is a path......

    Most places I know would have made a interior attack on that fire.

    Every place I know would have the decency not to rip a Department for what they perceived to be the "wrong" way to handle it.

    Like I said, listen to the tape, they talk about a possible victim.

    Like Dal said, it wasn't fully invovled.
    I saw the video at the station and the speakers were not working. I did not hear the radio traffic. All the more reason to make entry and conduct a search!




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