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    Hey guys, i need some information. A firefighter at my station ask me for some help. He is a vol. Lt. out in the county. His V.F.D. is looking at going Paid on Call. Im needed to know, what other P.O.C. dept's pay. He's going to take what information he can find to the fire board meeting. Dont want to ask for to much, but he wants to make sure its not loss change.

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    What state are you in bro? Most around here pay 10-15 per call and you get that for every call but they dont give you no hourly pay after the hour.

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    We are what is called a paid-call volunteer dept around here (paid only after the page out), and our guys get $15/hr CAD for as long as is required to deal with the incident. This includes clean up time and any admin afterwards.

    We pay one hour for calls that are stood down before the apparatus roll, and two hours minimum for calls that are stood down en route. If the team makes the scene and conducts some firefighting or rescue work, they usually get a four hour minimum, or as long as the call takes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kjohnson24
    What state are you in bro? Most around here pay 10-15 per call and you get that for every call but they dont give you no hourly pay after the hour.

    Quid pro quo... what state are you in?
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    Some questions...
    1. What is your dept's call volume?
    2. What is the approx. population of your response district?
    3. How would you classify your response district? (urban/rural/suburban)
    4. What is your authorized force?

    With a little more info, I can give you some examples of what has been done in my area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frosty42
    Some questions...
    1. What is your dept's call volume?
    2. What is the approx. population of your response district?
    3. How would you classify your response district? (urban/rural/suburban)
    4. What is your authorized force?

    With a little more info, I can give you some examples of what has been done in my area.
    1. 472 calls last year
    2. 12,500 aprroximately
    3. suburban/bedroom community
    4. ?

    We get paid $15 a call. If we are there 5 hours or 5 minutes $15. We get $10 for training

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    Paid/PCF here. Rural coverage area.

    I think it is now $12 flat for calls and training. Same thing, it doesn't matter if we are there 5 minutes or 5 hours. Checks are issued at the end of the year.

    Then I basically go give it all to Allstate auto insurance.

    Good luck to him if his dept. decides to make these changes.
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    I believe its like $6.50 an hour for the first year (probation) , after that its around $11.50 an hour. We get paid from the time we check into serivce, to the time we are back in service. We do not get paid for paperwork. On fires and such we won't go back into service for a while giving us time to cleanup and get the trucks ready for another call. We run around 200 calls per year and in a township with anywhere from 1800 - 4000 people depending on time of year and day of the week. We receive our paychecks quarterly.


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    We get paid 10 dollars per call per hour. So if its a 15 minute call it's 10 dollars if it's a 5 hour call its 50 dollars.

    Calls/year- 750
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    We run a paid on call Department with 2 full time people. Our POC get $10.00 a run it dont matter how many hours, if we are toned out and respond to station and get disregarded, 10 bucks, if we get toned out and stay on the scene 4 hours its still 10 bucks.
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    We are running a small paid per call department in northeastern Ohio which ran 458 total runs last year. Our population is 4500. Mostly a bedroom community with a small industrial/warehouse area. We currently staff with 1 full time chief and 1 FF/EMT from 8am til 4 pm Monday throught Friday. All hours of the day are open for people to respond on alarms. We are paid $12.40 per hour and are paid a min. of 2 hours per call reguardless of the length of the call. Other pay incentives are: double time on holidays, $400.00 clothing allowance and on-call pay. 365 days a year we have a min. of 3 persons on call from 9pm til 6 am who are paid $1.00 per hour to be on call. In June 2005 we started EMS billing with the hopes of expanding our station staffing to 8am til 10pm 7 days a week. This would asure coverage of 75% of our runs. Hope this helps.

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    This dept. is a city/rural dept. New large homes (everything in this town is new just about). Smallest homes are around 2200 sq ft. They do have a interstate and two state hwy's. They do not run medical our rescue. They have some of the best equipment around. The town's Pop. is 4700 (but that was 6 years ago.) they put it at about 6000 now. They had 80 fire's last year. There 25 volly's. 5 engine's, 1 tanker, 1 brush, 1 haz/mat. Running out of 1 station...

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    My Fire Dept pays $5.75 per unit. A unit equals 1 hour. My station runs around a 1000 calls a year without doing medicals. For sometime now I have thought it is time for a pay increase. With the rising costs of living (fuel,food rent, etc..). After looking at the pay scale for other "paid on call depts" I think its imperative my co-workers and I push for a wage increase.

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    7160 ,

    Develop a plan to present which will include all the numbers. How much will you pay the first hour, how much will be paid for every hour after, if you plan to pay for on station activities etc....With regards to how much per hour, it will depend on your area. Pay for POC's varies widely. I have seen the pay scale from around 8.00 per hour all the way up to 30.00 per hour. Much of this will depend on budget.

    The question you have to answer is what do you hope to gain? Is this a recruitment effort or a way to maintain response to incidents? The powers to be concerned with two things...What value will this bring to the community and who is going to pay for it.

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    Whoa! $30 an hour. I can't even imagine that for POC. Beverly Hills?
    That, might help w/ recruitment, I guess.
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    Our POC personnel are paid through a complex formula. We start with the maximum the Council will allocate for the year. (Currently around $36K) That is divided by 12 months. So around $3K per month is available. Then all personnel who attend a drill, call-in or fire get a check mark for that run next to their name. At the end of the month we take the total number of check marks divided into the $3K and determine the per check mark amount. Then that amount is multiplied times the number of times the member attended, for a monthly paycheck. The system pays more when there are less people and less calls, and less when there are more. We looked at changing teh way its done, but found the hourly way would cause a conflict with our career personnel or not amount to enough for the call personnel. Plus by going hourly the City would not have a hard budget number and would likely not fund the account properly. In 2005 the call personnels hourly rate averaged out to be more than most FT FF/Medics hourly. I think around $18/hr, but they had much fewer call-ins as we started hiring overtime to cover FT personnel slots.

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    We run a scale system, a probie makes about $8/hr, with increments for FF1, 2, EMT B, I, CC, and Paramedic, so by the time you'r a FF2/Medic you're topped out around $15/hr though we might be getting our first raises in 5 years. 1hr min for fire calls, I think 90min for EMS. I make about 1/2 my property taxes back each year.

    I used to work at an FD with a fixed budget, we got paid by man-calls we attended. If 10 guys showed up at 10 calls there would be 100man-calls, if you made 5 you'd get 5/100's of the payout. Busy months sucked because calls became increasingly worth less so nobody would bother to show up unless there was smoke showing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kjohnson24
    What state are you in bro? Most around here pay 10-15 per call and you get that for every call but they dont give you no hourly pay after the hour.
    Most of the time I'm in a state of confusion, but when reality creeps up on me I find myself in "Kaleefornea". We have a pretty shabby turn out rate for our PCF's. I think it's because they all have their daily jobs to deal with.
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    Our department runs over 1700 calls per year. We have 5 full time personnel and approximately 35 paid on call covering 36 square miles with a pop of about 18000. We are located in southwestern lower Michigan.

    Officers (Captain and Lt's) $17.20 per hour
    Relief Drivers and Firefighters $14.95
    Probationary Firefighters $7.50

    Relief Pay is around $10.00 per hour
    Training Pay is $7.50

    Our pay periods are 28 days and we are paid monthly.

    Our full time staff's hours are from 0700 - 1800 M-F. On call's provide coverage for evenings and weekends.

    P.S. > Pay scales are to the best of my knowledge and are close to what is current today.
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    Forgot to add that we get full pay for all in-house training. Schools are unpaid (though they will cover all expenses save food).
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