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    Default Apparatus Response SOG's

    My department is currently writing a Standard Operating Guideline for apparatus response to incidents in our town. We are a volunteer department, with two fire companies and average approximately 250 - 300 calls per year. My question for everyone out there is who has, in their department, guidelines for different levels of response, such as "non-emergency" responses? Also, does anyone, once the I.C. has determined that the call is not a true emergency, have protocols to "downgrade" the response to say Level-2, which would be no lights or siren? Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. This has been a hot topic among the officers in my department. We currently have no guidelines and simply issue a verbal "proceed with caution" over the radio when the IC determines that the incident is not a true emergency.

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    Ours are pretty simple. To keep it short, on ems, if it is an alpha response, then we go no code, bravo through echo, we go code. On fire alarms, if anyone determines that it is a false alarm, we downgrade. Why go code if you KNOW that a small child pulled the alarm? And yes, if the IC determines that there is no emergency, then we will downgrade also. We only run code if we know there is an emergency or if it is unknown. Simple- no emergency, no-code. Stay safe!

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    As an Officer of a department that has just recently added a Apparatus Responce S.O.G. into our Policies and proceedures manual, I can tell you that it is a very HOT topic where ever your from, Paid and Volunteer alike! We decided to go to a three code system which is endorsed by the IAFF and the Mass. Call and Vol. assosiation. Code 3- Emerget responce Any Emergency that Life or Property might be lost or damaged (lights and Sirens)
    Code 2- Lights only...ex. Co detector activation, no symptoms, 1st units on scene to Fire Alarm Activation find Food on the stove needs help venting.
    Code 1- No Lights or Sirens following the rules of the road. ex. Mutual aid for station coveage...Responding to sit in someone elses station. Or when ever the OIC is on scene and deems that your company responce is not needed in an emergency setting.
    I hope this helps you out!
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    We do ............we have some runs that are on the "quiet" and who can cancel etc .....it isnt that hard just get together and do what fits your department.
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    to CFDC10 - I was under the impression that it was against the law to respond with lights only. It is here in NJ. It's either all or nothing. I have seen that happen in NYC, where witnesses interviewed after an apparatus accident have stated the rig had their lights on, but no siren. You MUST have your siren on when your lights are on.

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    Good point, KNOW your state laws!

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    In Michigan the law states to sound siren "as needed".

    I don't need a siren at 3 am on a rural road with no other vehicle in sight. Likewise sirens are worthless on high speed freeways. At 60 mph you have to be about 10 feet from the rear bumper for the driver ahead to hear it. Most of the time fire equipment is the slow vehicle on the freeway since they won't go 75 mph.

    On the ambulance side we use a priority dispatch system.

    Priority 1: Like theatening. Lights and siren.

    Priority 2: None life threatening. No lights and go with traffic but do it now.

    Priority 3: Most transfers including scheduled ones.

    Only about half of the calls are dispatched as Priority 1. Almost all transports from scene to hospital are done Priority 2.

    Hope this helps.

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    bgcjmc, I hear what your saying I was one of those who used to say "All or Nothing", until I saw for myself the National standards that we used to to form our SOGs. As always State laws differ and Oldman21220 said it best Knwo your Laws.Just trying to help!
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    When I was chief of my Volunteer department I implemented 8 responses that where considered non-emergency. Never had any problems from any members or officer’s because it made no sense to go lights or sirens on these 8 responses. In PA if lights are on then sirens must be activated.


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    We respond, per department policy, to the following incident types:

    All residential fire alarms in SFD's

    Any repeat fire alarm, with the exception of water flow alarms, within 24hrs

    Wash-down incidents

    Assist law enforcement

    Back-Ins (Move-ups, Transfers)

    Department officers and apparatus OIC's can downgrade any response based upon additional information recieved from communications.

    By Texas law, whenever lights are used sirens must be used also.

    Just some thoughts.
    Stay low and move it in.

    Be safe.


    Larry

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