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    Default How do you respond to fire calls?

    Following the story on the main page, I was wondering if the majority of the FD's out there still run lights and siren to everything. This meaning that all responding units run this way, wheather it is a fire alarm or a medical call or a MVC or a fire. The fire dept. that I work for runs lights and siren to all reports of fire, MVC's, medical calls (1st responder, we don't run puss buses, EMS does that). On fire alarms only the 1st due engine or unless another engine is closer runs hot or lights and siren, while everyone else runs routine traffic.


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    We go code to MVA's and fires. For medicals we have an assignment system. We either get paged to an Alpha (non code, "I stubbed my toe.") Bravo (our choice to go code or not) Charlie (the least serious code) Delta (the medium serious code) Echo (most serious code response like cardiac arrest) and Omega (service call non code, you know little old lady fell down can't get up and she just wants help back into bed.)


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    While we run hot to about everything except for citizen assists, there is a nearby dept that will shut down everything if they encounter a red light. They figure it is better to wait the extra 2 min then push people into the intersection. Not entirely a bad idea but it is not too common down here.

    Now if we are responding to a structure fire and the first due arrives to find no fire or smoke showing, command will advise the other responding companies to shut down and respond non-emergency until the incident is tapped out.
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    In my experience, the only thing we do not respond emergency for are CO runs. That said, if there is a report of illness at the scene of a CO run, we step it up and go emergency. Everything else is lights and sirens unless command on scene advises to respond non-emergency
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    We are authorized to run code on all fires and MVAs (we don't do medical calls unless requested by EMS), but that does not mean that we do it. I'll give an example. If we have a report of a small brush fire with no exposures then I know that there are 6 (or more depending on day/time)Fire Fighters closer to the station who will get there first. I do not see a need to go blasting through town in my pov, I make my way to the station quickly but safely, and stage there in case they need me. If the situation changes while in route then I kick on the light and speed things up.

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    We used to have all units run hot on all calls. About 10 years ago, we finally changed our policies on who runs hot and when.

    Now , only the first due runs hot to automatic alarms, while all other units observe traffic. Investigation calls get a routine response, as do any other non-life or property threatening calls.

    On medicals, MVAs, and all fire calls, all units dispatched run hot.

    We (officers) have some latitude with regards to our response based upon the information we receive from our comm center.




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    "How do you respond to fire calls?"

    A big shiney red truck with blue and red lights on it, and a loud siren.


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    When I worked EMS we would go priority 1, 2 or 3. Priority 1 is running hot and get there in 7 minutes. Priority 2 is hot but get there in 9 minutes. Priority 3 is normal traffic. If we happend to be close we would run quiet through main traffic, then turn on the "we care" lights close to the address. Stopped at all red lights and stop signs. If an intersection is blocked we shut down and waited.

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    Everything is an emergency for us. We of course take all proper precautions and drive with due regard especially considering the type of run we are on. That is for all Fire or EMS runs or relocations.

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    We are expected to have similar response times to all calls, whether it be a stuck occupied urinal or water leak, or a phone alarm with numerous calls. Otherwise Bloomturd and scumpetta get ****ed and lift chiefs.

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    Full out ER unless dispatch advises otherwise.

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    First in units go with lights and sirens, and additional units are kept coming in emergent until command or units on scene advise otherwise.
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    everything runs all lights and sirens to the call because where we live theres not a crazy amount of risks in doing so, and if the officer gets on scene and find out that its a call thats not neccesarly an "EMERGENCY" then they tell all responding units to proceed with caution, which basically means to go running intersections and laying on the siren, but leave the lights and such going.

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    While I was the Fire Chief of a local volunteer fire department we would receive on average (2) complaints per month concerning our memberships driving habits while responding to an incident. To reduce the complaints and prevent an accident before it occurred we implemented a Response Policy. The only incidents that we allowed units to respond emergency traffic to was: Any reported structural incident, MVA's with injury, Priority EMS incidents, wildland fires, natural gas leaks, power-lines down with fire involvement, vehicle fires and the first due unit to an alarm off. Everything else was non-emergency (smell of smoke, trash fires, wires arcing, etc) Once we implemented the policy we never received another complaint concerning our personnels driving habits and that was ten years ago. I cannot believe that there are still departments out there that respond "Emergency Traffic" to all incidents.

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    In my company we run code 3 to mostly everything... except your fire alarms, power lines, trees down, things like that. Pretty much everything else we run hot to. But when your population is mostly cows with a town without a traffic signal, its not that great of deal. Going to your average call we may come up on maybe 5-7 cars and thats during "rush hour traffic."
    The ambulance does run lights to everything except lift assists w/ no injury. Because we have found in an area where your district extends upto 20 minutes away from the station that you cannot trust the information given to dispatch and then the information that dispatch gives you.

    I work as a dispatcher/EMT for a local private ems company and we have three types of responses...
    Code 1 - Non-Emergent
    Code 2 - Emergent alone
    Code 3 - Emergent with another agency - usually your most serious type of call, and they send fire with ya in the city.

    I work as a dispatcher there and I have found that regardless of the questions asked, and the information in which they give you doesn't hold too much credibility. For example, I know of an area where I have sent them Code 1 and they will come back to the hospital Code 6 (returning with lights and sirens) obviously meaning that the patient is worse off than thought. That is my biggest problem with EMS taking a more radical silent approach is things can change quickly ... just some bread for your mind.
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    Here the dispatcher determines what code you will run... Some things dont seem smart to me.. Sne that amazes me is code 2 for a stroke/possible stroke
    fires it is up to the units usually but all units (3) will run code 3 to a automatic alarm. Structure fires they will go code 3.

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    We run code to all fires, MVA's, And medical first reponder calls. We do not run hot for citizens assist and most investigation calls. We utilize the opticom system that changes traffic lights in the direction we are traveling to green while all other lights are red.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IGotTheHalligan
    Here the dispatcher determines what code you will run...
    You ARE kidding, Right??........ I thought I'd heard it all, but that is..... Well, if you trust your dispatch center that much, that's your choice.

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    For my township most of our calls are ran with lights and sirens. However, at about 2200 or 2300 we only use lights, until an intersections.

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    Automatic alarms (other then flow alarms) get first due engine "hot" evey one else "cold".

    Elevator calls with no medical complaint, cold.

    Public service calls (water leaks, lock outs, animal rescues), cold.

    Everything else is hot. Responding company officer or district chief (if assigned) can up-grade/down-grade units depending on pre-arival information.

    Response to EMS calls are assigned either hot or cold response by EMD cards.

    Dispatchers here do not make response determinations. This is strictly by county wide SOG or EMD and changes are left up to the responding CO or DC.

    Oh, and we run hot to wires down calls. Would really hate for a kid to try and pick up a hot primary while we are driving through town with traffic.
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