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    Angry Ny Fire Patrol...

    I wanted to open this thread to solicit support, comments, rhetoric or whatever regarding the possible disbanning of a 200+ year operation by the New York Board of Fire Underwriters' Fire Patrol. I was a former Fire Patrolman at #2 & #3. I had the opportunity to work with some fine people while on the job (including the first terrorist attack on the Trade Center) and met many more that were or became firefighter's with the FDNY including Cpt. Pat Brown (I swear I didn't know his car was parked across the street! - Nice gag! Patrol 2's McCauley, Leonard, Crawley & Andrews-) Chief Feehan ( I remember the early dinners and trips to Patrol 3 to visit your son John), John Ielpi - (helping him learn the job at Patrol 2 and chats about his dad Lee and his aspirations to becoming a FDNY firefighter...AND MANY MORE! God rest their soles. The city may well be losing a long tradition of forcible entry, cover throwing, water removal, wall breaching and more, experts at a job that came down to 3 known units out of hundreds across the country for the most part of the last 30 years in our nation. I can only hope that these firefighter/patrolmen and their families will be able to continue the service they are providing to such a diverse city that needs their services and expertise. A time honered tradition of dedicated salvage men and women may well see their end in the very near future. Let's all hope that this disbanning can be overted or at least include a restructuring that will allow the NY Fire Patrol an opportunity to show what they are made of and be allowed to make a public statement of who they are and what they are about. Please spread the word. Good Luck to NY Fire Patrol IAFF L I-26. I enjoyed the job immensely and look forward to another cup-o-joe with you again when I'm down for a visit...God Bless!

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    The men of the Patrol have always been on my dealings with them....absolute profesionals and their ability to cover an entire floor or office with salvage covers is second to none. One would have to see it to understand the abilities and skill of these members. I certainly hope they can find a way to fund their operation.

    The few Patrolmen I know are hard working guys who are a credit to their dwindling proffesion. Many have family ties to the FDNY and

    It is a shame that infighting between the Insurance companies, fire underwriters board and others incluing ignorant executives who don't completely understand the service these men provide might bring an end to this fine tradition.

    RIP to the over 30 members of the Patrol who gave their lives in the line of duty.

    Here is a posting from a FPNY site.

    In a vote yesterday afternoon by the Board of Directors and The Member Insurance companies of the New York Board of Fire Underwriters they have decided to vote to close the last 3 firehouses of the New York Fire Patrol.

    Many people do not know what the Fire Patrol is here in New York. They see fireman with red hats working at a fire and assume that they are part of the New York Fire Department. That is not the case. They do work hand in hand but the New York Board of Fire Underwriters pays the Fire Patrol. The Fire Patrols job is to preserve and protect property during fire and water situations. These men also put their lives of the line by going into these fires to protect property by throwing covers over the property.

    The most recent save was in the Soho area at the Prada, American Outfitters and Bobbie Brown stores where there was a 5-alarm fire. Not only did these brave men work relentlessly to protect the goods within these stores they also risked their lives to protect pieces of artwork on the fire floor. About 300 covers were used during this fire. With a possible savings of over a million dollars that merchandise would have otherwise been destroyed from the water that fell over the covered merchandise. That loss would have resulted in a larger claim with the insurance companies and loss of business for the retail companies. Because of the Patrols fine work merchandise was saved and able to be sold.

    The Fire Patrol also promotes fire prevention and education. Patrolmen go to schools and share a wealth of fire safety information with children to better educate children of all ages in fire prevention and safety.

    During September 11th, the men of the Fire Patrol responded to the World Trade Center emergency. They lost one of their own Keith Roma who was one of the first respondents. Many of the patrolmen worked tirelessly looking for survivors on the pile of rumble. Days of breathing in dust, fumes and what not else without thought for themselves. Many of these men now have respiratory issues just as the other rescue workers who worked that day and the days following have health issues. Most of these men do not say anything because they feel this is part of there job and they still have their lives unlike other men and woman who were lost that dreadful day.

    There have been articles written about these men of the New York Fire Patrol. A history book has been written by Arthur Smith and published. Historians have written about this organization called the New York Fire Patrol.

    The New York Fire Department looks at these men with respect and they work hand in hand at the job sites. When speaking of the Patrol with NY Firemen they will usually respond "the guys in red hats" the Patrol is known around NYC. It is the last existing Patrol in our country.

    Because of a professional campaigning group these men have now lost their jobs and the insurance companies have also lost a great benefit to the Commercial Insurance Industry in a time when the industry is being hurt in other areas.

    These men are hard working family men. They are passionate about what they do for the Fire Patrol. They are proud to be called Patrol Men.

    A group called ELANY campaigned to close the Fire Patrols firehouses. There reasons are one sided. It was stated that The New York Board of Fire Underwriters (NYBFU's) was aggressively trying to collect assessments. This led a group called the Ad Hoc Group led by ELANY members to analyze the assessments of the services provided by the NYBFU. The Ad Hoc Group only noted the Patrol and what they did 100 years ago rather than what they do now in 2006. In the final analysis from the Ad Hoc Group they found that some insurers who pay the 1% fee to the NYBFU were not benefiting from the work of the Fire Patrol.

    While I agree that there should be changes within the NYBFU I do not agree that they should close the Fire Patrol. I think there is a better way to solve the issues that this ELANY group has brought up. I cannot believe that the people who voted to shut the Patrol down did it so easily without looking at the larger picture and assessing the entire situation. How about restructuring the process of 100 years ago to today's standards? Those that are bullying should be the ones that are shut out. There are over 100 men who will now lose their job with the Fire Patrol because of a quick vote rather than a consideration for new structuring within the NYBFU organization. These men have family. They risk their lives to do the job they were hired to do but also love and do with honor. They are now going to lose their livelihood due to those that do not even work in the field but in an office sitting behind a desk. Because of a few bad seeds within the operational level the Fire Patrol and the City of New York and the surrounding Boroughs will now pay the price.

    Here is a suggestion to the Board of Directors and The Member Insurance Companies of the New York Board of Fire Underwriters make changes to the existing protocol of assessing fees. Restructure the organization to make it work for the better for all parties involved. In a year see if the restructuring is up to par and then put it to another vote. Do not make this vote a final decision to end the Fire Patrol and the good work that these men have done over the past 100 years and can and will hope to do in the future. There should be changes made and chances given for all sides that have an interest in the New York Fire Patrol. This vote was the easy way out. Let's not take the easy way out. Lets support the New York Fire Patrol as they have supported the 5 boroughs for over 100 years. Do not shut them down it would be a big mistake for all parties from the NYBFU to the insurance companies, to the mom and pop stores and large stores a like. It will affect the men who have worked hard to maintain a tradition of salvage work with pride and dedication and affect the family of these men. There is a better way.

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    Default keep em' coming...

    A few links with pics and info etc:

    http://www.nybfu.org/fire/about.htm
    http://www.fpny123.net
    http://www.fdnytrucks.com/files/html...lunits/fp1.htm

    If anyone out there has any photo's they would like to share please feel free to post...

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    March 19, 2006 -- The New York Fire Patrol - which has worked alongside the FDNY for two centuries to safeguard property in burning buildings - is grossly mismanaged and dangerously out of step with modern times, according to a scathing new report. Patrol members fail to use adequate protective gear or even wear matching uniforms. They often don't carry adequate tools and get almost no training, but many of them still earn more money than rookie firefighters. Those stunning findings were laid out in a confidential review of the patrol conducted at the request of the New York Board of Fire Underwriters. The board represents state insurance companies, which oversee the patrol. The report obtained by the Daily News was completed before the board voted Jan. 31 to dissolve the patrol by the end of the year, leaving the jobs of its 98 members in imminent peril. Though the city's largest firefighters union is determined to save the patrol, many insurance companies are pushing for its demise. All fire insurance holders in the city finance the patrol through a 1% to 2% surcharge tacked onto their policies."They just frankly don't find any value in the organization," said Ellen Melchionni, a spokeswoman for the New York Insurance Association. "[They] can't find any verification to support that they are actually responding to these fires and whether they are doing anything to help to reduce the losses. "Companies are tired of paying for it and they want to shut it down," she said. "This group is ridiculous. It's a waste." The last paid force of its kind in the nation, the patrol had an $8.5 million budget last year and saved about $10 million worth of property. The value of the property saved has increased only $6 million over the last 40 years. Sixty-eight patrol members earn $46,018 a year. "The Fire Patrol is largely unchanged from its operations of a generation or more ago," the November 2005 report argued. The report found the 24-hour patrol fails to keep an accurate count of the 9,000 or so emergency calls it responds to each year and does not record response times. The phones inside its stationhouses in Brooklyn and Manhattan often fail to work. With no guidelines on responding to blazes, the patrol has minimal contact with the FDNY. "They're stuck in a time warp," said a Fire Underwriters board member. But Tom Butler, a spokesman for the Uniformed Firefighters Association, said the union has "made clear the significant value the patrol provides to the property of private citizens and their insurers." Butler argued that the patrol saved millions in property and artwork last month when a five-alarm fire ignited in a SoHo building where Prada's flagship store is housed. On 9/11/01, a patrol member, Keith Roma, 27, was killed trying to save people before the World Trade Center's north tower fell. Patrol members say the Fire Underwriters board, which was also criticized in the report for neglect, is undervaluing their work and trying to close the patrol to eliminate the state surcharge on fire insurance. The patrol is working with the UFA and the International Association of Fire Fighters to find a new funding source. "We're going to explore every option to keep this valuable service to businesses open," said patrol member Eric Schultz.
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    Quote Originally Posted by E40FDNYL35
    March 19, 2006 -- The New York Fire Patrol - which has worked alongside the FDNY for two centuries to safeguard property in burning buildings - is grossly mismanaged and dangerously out of step with modern times, according to a scathing new report. Patrol members fail to use adequate protective gear or even wear matching uniforms. They often don't carry adequate tools and get almost no training, but many of them still earn more money than rookie firefighters. Those stunning findings were laid out in a confidential review of the patrol conducted at the request of the New York Board of Fire Underwriters. The board represents state insurance companies, which oversee the patrol. The report obtained by the Daily News was completed before the board voted Jan. 31 to dissolve the patrol by the end of the year, leaving the jobs of its 98 members in imminent peril. Though the city's largest firefighters union is determined to save the patrol, many insurance companies are pushing for its demise. All fire insurance holders in the city finance the patrol through a 1% to 2% surcharge tacked onto their policies."They just frankly don't find any value in the organization," said Ellen Melchionni, a spokeswoman for the New York Insurance Association. "[They] can't find any verification to support that they are actually responding to these fires and whether they are doing anything to help to reduce the losses. "Companies are tired of paying for it and they want to shut it down," she said. "This group is ridiculous. It's a waste." The last paid force of its kind in the nation, the patrol had an $8.5 million budget last year and saved about $10 million worth of property. The value of the property saved has increased only $6 million over the last 40 years. Sixty-eight patrol members earn $46,018 a year. "The Fire Patrol is largely unchanged from its operations of a generation or more ago," the November 2005 report argued. The report found the 24-hour patrol fails to keep an accurate count of the 9,000 or so emergency calls it responds to each year and does not record response times. The phones inside its stationhouses in Brooklyn and Manhattan often fail to work. With no guidelines on responding to blazes, the patrol has minimal contact with the FDNY. "They're stuck in a time warp," said a Fire Underwriters board member. But Tom Butler, a spokesman for the Uniformed Firefighters Association, said the union has "made clear the significant value the patrol provides to the property of private citizens and their insurers." Butler argued that the patrol saved millions in property and artwork last month when a five-alarm fire ignited in a SoHo building where Prada's flagship store is housed. On 9/11/01, a patrol member, Keith Roma, 27, was killed trying to save people before the World Trade Center's north tower fell. Patrol members say the Fire Underwriters board, which was also criticized in the report for neglect, is undervaluing their work and trying to close the patrol to eliminate the state surcharge on fire insurance. The patrol is working with the UFA and the International Association of Fire Fighters to find a new funding source. "We're going to explore every option to keep this valuable service to businesses open," said patrol member Eric Schultz.


    Some more one sided journalism. That artilce is clearly a distorition of the facts. The Fire Patrol is far from a waste and I do know for a fact we won't be picking up their duties. No Chief is going to special call 3 Ladder Companies and send them to throw 100+ salavage covers!

    Hopefully a solution will be found.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FFFRED

    Some more one sided journalism. That artilce is clearly a distorition of the facts. The Fire Patrol is far from a waste and I do know for a fact we won't be picking up their duties. No Chief is going to special call 3 Ladder Companies and send them to throw 100+ salavage covers!

    Hopefully a solution will be found.

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    How do these guys get dispatched to alarms?
    How do you get a job with them?
    Whats there work schedule?
    How many of them are there?

    This is a very interesting aspect of the job that rarely gets done because of a lack of manpower....I have only heard of one other city that has these guys..Rochester NY. Good luck to these brothers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ltmdepas3280
    How do these guys get dispatched to alarms?
    They have a teleprinter terminal in their housewatch just like we do and recvieve the alarms via that...
    How do you get a job with them?
    Not sure...one must fill out application for a few select jobs. Should be addressed on their web site. http://www.nybfu.org/fire/about.htm
    Whats there work schedule?
    It is my understanding it is the same one Seattle FD uses...whatever that is.
    How many of them are there?
    At one time we had 10 of them. Now there are three remaining.
    -Patrol No. 1 W. 30th Street - Midtown
    -Patrol No. 2 W. 3rd Street - Greenwich Villiage
    -Patrol No. 3 Dean St., Brooklyn Heights

    This is a very interesting aspect of the job that rarely gets done because of a lack of manpower....I have only heard of one other city that has these guys..Rochester NY. Good luck to these brothers
    Due to the vertical nature of NY and the importance of the local offices which usually have "national ramifications" for their companies the Fire Patrol is a very important and critical resource in preventing damage to property when we go in to put out fires.

    They now find themselves caught between some infighting in the insurance industry and the Underwriters. Basicly a dispute on how the funding is attained.

    Let's hope they find a resolution.

    My union won't take over their duties and our Ladder companies have no room for the salvage tools and covers. Nor the availability to spend our time trying to save property on the floors below during the initial moments of a fire.

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    The most important city in the world and there are going to get rid of the Fire Patrol. Typical warped priorities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FFFRED

    Some more one sided journalism. That artilce is clearly a distorition of the facts. The Fire Patrol is far from a waste and I do know for a fact we won't be picking up their duties. No Chief is going to special call 3 Ladder Companies and send them to throw 100+ salavage covers!

    Hopefully a solution will be found.

    FTM-PTB
    Good luck to you. I hope this is resolved in a manner that will keep the Fire Patrols operating.

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    its really sad. First off, how people can mismanage money. Most likely its a higher ups fault but someone has to pay.

    It will take a few years before its realized what a mistake was made. When, on a large department store fire and no one is there to throw the hundreds of tarps and such. Then they will know...

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    Quote Originally Posted by E40FDNYL35
    "This group is ridiculous. It's a waste." The last paid force of its kind in the nation, the patrol had an $8.5 million budget last year and saved about $10 million worth of property.
    And the problem is? looks like a 1.5 million dollar savings to me, I'm sure the property owners are unhappy $10 million in property was saved.

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    seems the underwriters records are worse than the patrols. putting the heat on the patrl takes it off their back........ for now.

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    Default warning... sarcasm mode... on!

    Everyone is forgetting that the fire patrol was funded by the insurance companies.

    We all know the insurance companies are our friends.... after all, look at their advertising!

    We have a cute geko telling us we should switch to Geico.
    You're in good hand with Allstate.
    Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there.
    Liberty Mutual insurance... insurance in action!
    Prudential: own a piece of the Rock.

    and so on , and so forth, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera... that is... until you have the unmitigated audacity to have a fire in your home and file a claim.

    The geko goes into hiding, the good hands are stuck inside of Allstate's deep pockets, your good neighbor at STate Farm won't return your calls, Liberty Mutual's action is to blow you off and the piece of the rock crumbles into dust!

    These fracking frackers will nickle and dime you to death and make filing a calim as pleasant as being tortured in the Inquistion... God forbid you make a payment a day late....

    Eliminating the fire patrol is a bean counters decision.. I guess they would rather pay out more in claims and make you fight for your compensation!

    Sarcasm mode is now off... thank you for listening!
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    What sort of apparatus does the Patrol respond with? Anybody got any pix?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MEAN15
    What sort of apparatus does the Patrol respond with? Anybody got any pix?
    http://www.fdnytrucks.com/files/html...lunits/fp1.htm
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