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    AMEN ! brother!!

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    Question Alabama

    any of yall in Alabama
    would like to know what the law said
    can't find it
    we got a new sheriff and he want to be in "THE MAN" over it all
    any info would be great

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    check the NIMS ICS. the highest ranking fire officer has control over the scene of the call.
    Firefighters need not fear fire, but give it all their respect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RS1606 View Post
    check the NIMS ICS. the highest ranking fire officer has control over the scene of the call.
    That isn't necessarily accurate. The highest ranking Fire Officer would not always be in command.

    The sheriff would not be in charge of my fire... I don't care if he does have a badge and gun. But I would not be in charge of his escaped prisoner search.

    The scene command is mostly based upon the type of event. If the event involves many agencies, then under NIMS... we establish Unified Command, and the lead agency is determined by the type of operation.

    If it is a fire... it is Fire

    If it is rescue... it is Fire

    If it is Hazmat... it is Fire or Hazmat Team

    If it is a Bank Robbery... it is LE, and we won't be there.

    If it is a Cardiac Call... then it is Fire, then EMS (many times Fire is EMS).

    If it is a plane crash... then the Fire Department extinguishes the fire, rescues survivors, and secures the ground while LE sets up perimeter, and EMS handles patients. Once the Fire Dept completes its assignments, then LE and the NTSB take over.


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    thanks man, thats what i was meaning just could not find the way to say it.
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    NIMS ICS really has nothing to do with a MVA, and who is in charge of the operations. It may be the LEO who is in charge depending on what has happened!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnee View Post
    NIMS ICS really has nothing to do with a MVA, and who is in charge of the operations. It may be the LEO who is in charge depending on what has happened!!!
    oh, ok. the 3 departments i'm an explorer at go by that on any call thats not a medical call.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnee View Post
    NIMS ICS really has nothing to do with a MVA, and who is in charge of the operations. It may be the LEO who is in charge depending on what has happened!!!
    If you have taken the correct dose from the NIMS kool-aide, then NIMS ICS has everything to do with who and how IC runs at a MVA.

    -NIMS ICS should be established at every call, from a stubbed toe to a "towering inferno". The first arriving establishes IC, if the call remains small he also assumes the role of Operations. NIMS ICS can be expanded to fit the needs of the call... blah, blah, blah.

    -NIMS, since it covers all responders from local PD and FD to the National Guard, also states who is in charge of the scene; based on the type of call and experience levels of responders... blah, blah.

    Of course this is all academic, and relies heavily on drinking from the NIMS Kool-Aide. But don't fill the young Padawans head with NIMS doesn't matter. He could still grow up an run FEMA (if he has such qualifications as Commissioner of the Arabian Horses Association, yes dig on Michael Brown)

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    Quote Originally Posted by FiremanLyman View Post
    If you have taken the correct dose from the NIMS kool-aide, then NIMS ICS has everything to do with who and how IC runs at a MVA.

    -NIMS ICS should be established at every call, from a stubbed toe to a "towering inferno". The first arriving establishes IC, if the call remains small he also assumes the role of Operations. NIMS ICS can be expanded to fit the needs of the call... blah, blah, blah.

    -NIMS, since it covers all responders from local PD and FD to the National Guard, also states who is in charge of the scene; based on the type of call and experience levels of responders... blah, blah.

    Of course this is all academic, and relies heavily on drinking from the NIMS Kool-Aide. But don't fill the young Padawans head with NIMS doesn't matter. He could still grow up an run FEMA (if he has such qualifications as Commissioner of the Arabian Horses Association, yes dig on Michael Brown)


    You play their game in texas and we will do ours in Virignia. I was doing this job when everyone was doing the Fire Ground Commander thing long ago.

    We had command on every incident. We don't go hog wild with it. Our people know their jobs and we do it everyday. Thet RS guys isn't a fireman but one day wants to try to be one. He makes comments he n=knows nothing about and what others have said and he takes it as the truth.

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    just giveing input on my departments rules. nothing wrong with that
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    The folks worried about who can shut down roads, and who has a bigger pecker than the other guy, all need to chill. That goes for PD and FD alike. Having done both jobs, I can tell you that whether I liked it or not, if the FD parked the engine across a roadway, there wasnt alot I could do as a LEO. With that said, who cares? It means I didnt have to stand there and flap my arms at passing cars.

    On the other side, now that I'm a FF, can I **** on a cops boots and play "I'm in charge, neener neener neener?" Sure. But next time all the whackers are speeding around town when a tone dumps, should we expect the normally friendly cop (whos boots we ****ed on) to ignore FF's erratic driving heading to the station? Or, next time FF John Doe is on his way home from the local watering hole, should he pray for some professional courtesy if he gets stopped? The fact is, we are all supposed to be on the same team. Everyone play nice and there will be fewer problems, and things flow nicely.

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