Just curious as we are hoping to go district and improve service to our community. Currently we are municipally operated and contracted to the county..
We cover 400 square miles with one station towards the North end (where most of the population is) BUT we do have outlying subdivisions/residences/roads that it can take us 45 minutes (no that is not a typo) response.
We have 2 Type I engines, 3 brush trucks, One regional Hazmat truck... and one command vehicle..
We have a downtown historic district that is 9 blocks long that is lined with 2-3 story 6-10,000sqft buildings (dating from the 1860s)
3500 residents in the City (we are stationed) 4000-5000 thousand spread outside the city in the unicorporated areas.
9 Career members, 6 Vollies, 1 Paid non-union chief. 3 on duty as first due.
Anyone else cover that many people, that much area with so little resources?
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02-18-2006, 09:44 PM #1MembersZone Subscriber
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How many square miles does your dept/station cover
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02-18-2006, 09:59 PM #2
WOW!
We cover 10.5 sq miles / 50,000 people / out of six stations.
My house cover a 23 block stretch, maybe 4 sq. miles. It's the largest 1st due in the city.
I don't imagine that we can even compare.
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Sounds like you guys a stretched a little thin. My FD covers 17 square miles, 31000 population with 2 stations. HQ has an engine (Capt, 2 FF's) and a quint (2 FF's). The 2 fire fighters on the ladder also staff the heavy rescue. A second station on the eastside of town has one engine (LT and 2 FF's). We have 3 chiefs who work days and respond after hours. 1500 calls per year, no EMS. Both engines and the ladder respond town-wide for structure fire calls.
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02-18-2006, 11:18 PM #4
5000 Sq miles
10 stations
20 Career staff (15 Suppression & 5 admin/support)
150 volunteers
Population in city - 24,000, in remainder of county - 14,000 for a total of 38,000. (latest estimate by planning folks)
Structural, heavy wildland, industrial, hazmat, & first responder ems
The career ff's work two shifts Mon-Fri.
A shift - 0600-1500
B-shift - 1000-1800
The can respond to major incidents after hrs and are paid overtime.
We have a rural wildland program where type 4 and 6 wildland rigs are placed in outlying areas (not close to a structural station) and area personnel are trained in basic wildland tactics.
Our response time to wildland incidents vary from 5 min to 35 min
For rescue incidents response time can be as long as 45 -50 minutesBuckle Up, Slow Down, Arrive Alive
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02-19-2006, 03:55 AM #5
were a volunteer FD but we cover over 360 sq miles, out of 2 stations. 3 pumpers, 2 tankers, 4 grass rigs, one grass rig that doubles as heavy rescue, one ambulance, one command/personnel unit. both stations are in the southern part of our district, and the population is about 700.
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02-19-2006, 09:48 AM #6
Population: 1,007,800
Stations: 35
Square Miles: 395
Annual Budget: $128,563,096 (FY 2005)
Uniformed Staff: 1,226
Civilian Staff: 107
Suppression Incidents: 23,128
EMS: 62,420
Public Service: 5,825
Total: 91,373
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02-19-2006, 10:24 AM #7
Whoa! That's big. I doubt our first due area is even two square miles.
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I'm only guessing but my first due area is probably about 3/4s to 7/8ths of a Square mile. And we aren't even the smallest around. There is one Engine in our dept that by my rough calculations covers 1st Due aproximately 4,000,000sq feet or approximately 96 acres or 0.1500 square miles! Could be slightly more or less.
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02-19-2006, 12:19 PM #9
Our department covers 56 square miles with just shy of 300,000 people. we do this with 27 fire companies: 18 Engines, 7 Ladder trucks, and 2 Rescue Squads. 11 of the engines are dual staffed and also run the an associated medic. Last year we did a little under 40,000 runs.
My truck company covers an area called frogtown, I spose a couple of square miles, with about 36,000 VERY diverse people. I don't know the exact numbers, but I think we ran ourselves about 1500 times. Now the engine/medic, they just don't stop, I venture to say the medic runs 3400-3500 times and the engine runs 6-800 times? Hopefully we will get the real numbers so I can repost the actual results.My posts reflect my views and opinions, not the organization I work for or my IAFF local. Some of which they may not agree. I.A.C.O.J. member
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02-19-2006, 03:57 PM #10
on my career dept, we have 12 sq miles. out of 3 stations
on my vollie, we have 40 sq miles out of 2 stationsYour a daisy if you do.
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we are vol. (pay per run). we cover nine miles wide and twelve miles deep. one department. with 37 personal. we do both ems and fire. we normaly have about 800 to 900 calls a year. we have approx. 3000 pop.
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02-20-2006, 01:28 AM #12MembersZone Subscriber
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square mileage survey
Volunteer:
1 square mile
population 14,500
85 volunteers
3 firehouses
1 truck, 3 engines, 1 rescue, hazmat
career:
4 square miles
population 30,000
44 career
2 firehouses
1 truck, 2 engines, 1 ambulance, 1 special ops truck
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02-20-2006, 11:58 AM #13Forum Member
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My Volunteer Station:
1.5 Square Mile town {1st. due} - About 420 calls per year no EMS
1 Engine, 1 Engine / Rescue, 1 Ladder, 1 Utility
100% Volunteer no Career Personnel - 1 fire house
Career Station: - 1 fire house
Combination Station {4 Fulltime - 6am-6pm} 10 Part Time 2 per shift - 8am - 4pm and 6pm - 6am} and 55 Volunteers which include all line officers
1st. due response area is approx. 21 square miles {Urban, surburban, residential, wooded, and industrial}
3 Engines, 1 Quint, 1 Rescue/Pumper, 1 Brush Truck, 2 BLS Ambulances
Statistics: 1,050 Fire / 2,150 EMS Runs yearly on average.
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02-20-2006, 02:00 PM #14
I'm only guessing but my first due area is probably about 3/4s to 7/8ths of a Square mile. And we aren't even the smallest around. There is one Engine in our dept that by my rough calculations covers 1st Due aproximately 4,000,000sq feet or approximately 96 acres or 0.1500 square miles! Could be slightly more or less.
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What is the population density of these first due areas? What is the run volume for both, as well?
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02-20-2006, 05:16 PM #15
We cover 22 square miles, divided among three districts (Central, West and East). My engine company has the smallest district, (Central) but it encompasses the downtown area (lots of apartments over commercial, ordinary construction) and some of the older core residential neighborhoods (lots of balloon frame construction with homes in close proximity to each other).
We are the second due Engine to the West and East districts."The education of a firefighter and the continued education of a firefighter is what makes "real" firefighters. Continuous skill development is the core of progressive firefighting. We learn by doing and doing it again and again, both on the training ground and the fireground."
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17 square miles
2 stations ( 3rd in the planning )
Staff 2 Engines, 1 Quint, Light Rescue, Batt Chief
10 per shift
Roughly 10 - 15 calls per dayIACOJ
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02-20-2006, 06:42 PM #17MembersZone Subscriber
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33 sq. miles
13,000 residents
2 stations (1 manned)
Staffing: 1 engine w/3or4
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02-20-2006, 11:40 PM #18MembersZone Subscriber
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150K residential citizens in an area of approximately 127 square miles.
420 Employees including 269 EMT’s and 98 Paramedics
18 Fire Stations
16 Pumper Companies
3 Aerial Ladder Companies
3 Quint Companies
11 Ambulances
We ran just shy of 22K calls in '05Last edited by ehs7554; 02-20-2006 at 11:42 PM.
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1st remember I said 1st Due area...this doesn't include 2nd,3rd and4th Due response areas which are much larger.
Originally Posted by jasper45
For my area we I imagine ran around 3200 to 3800 runs last year more or less. I don't know the exact numbers. Thats all runs not just 1st Due. Population per square mile is probably approaching 100,000.
For the area I listed that covered approx. 96 acres first due...the permant residents probably only total about 10,000 but the day time population surges into the 100,000s. This Engine Co's first due also includes the intersection of Wall and Broad Streets to give you an idea of the property values they are protecting. As for runs I think they did about 1700 runs.
FTM-PTBLast edited by FFFRED; 02-21-2006 at 09:11 AM.
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02-21-2006, 09:10 AM #20
Our pop. density is around 16,000/ sq. mi.
The engine and truck both do around 250 calls per month.
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