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    MSA Secures $36 Million Air Force Contract for New Firefighting Respiratory Protection System
    MSA announced today that it has secured a five-year $36 million indefinite delivery/indefinite quantity contract from the U.S. Air Force to develop and supply a new and versatile respiratory protection system for use by air base firefighting squads. The initial award, representing $5.6 million over 12 months, covers design, prototype development, testing and attaining product certifications from the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH) and the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA). Company officials noted that 2006 revenue from the contract will likely be a small portion of the initial award based on the anticipated timeframe to complete the above development activities. The multi-function breathing apparatus is one of the most advanced respiratory protection systems ever developed. Unique in design, it combines the advanced and high-performance features of MSA's latest generation self- contained breathing apparatus (SCBA) with those of a powered air-purifying respirator and gas mask to provide firefighters with a three-way, long- duration respiratory protection solution. Pending NIOSH and NFPA certifications, the system will also provide Air Force personnel with approved protection from chemical, biological, radiological and nuclear (CBRN) contaminants.

    "This award represents a new phase of military business for MSA," said Bill Lambert, President, MSA North America. "Our company has a long history of providing the military with a wide range of sophisticated safety products, most notably gas masks and ballistic helmets. This contract award, however, is reflective of the innovation we've achieved in the area of self-contained breathing apparatus for the fire service. Our expertise in engineering and materials science, combined with our leadership in developing CBRN-approved respiratory protective devices for emergency responders, were all key factors in helping us secure this latest award. We're grateful to the Air Force for giving us the opportunity to demonstrate and expand our expertise in this area."

    MSA has a proven track record in developing respiratory protection products designed for CBRN protection. Mr. Lambert noted the company was the first manufacturer to secure CBRN approval in three different respirator categories. Earlier CBRN-approved respirators include the company's Millennium® Gas Mask, the Ultra Elite® CBRN Gas Mask, the FireHawk(TM) CBRN NFPA 2002 Air Mask for the fire service and, most recently, the hood-type Safe Escape(TM) Respirator.

    Development work for the new respirator system will be performed at MSA's Cranberry Township, Pa. facility, while production work will take place at the company's Murrysville, Pa. plant.

    Established in 1914, MSA is a global leader in the development, manufacture and supply of sophisticated safety products that protect people's health and safety. Sophisticated safety products typically integrate any combination of electronics, mechanical systems and advanced materials to protect users against hazardous or life-threatening situations. The company's comprehensive line of products is used by workers around the world in the fire service, homeland security, construction and other industries, as well as the military. Principal products include self-contained breathing apparatus, gas masks, gas detection instruments, head protection, respirators and thermal imaging cameras. Since the company's founding, MSA products for the military have been used in two world wars, as well as Korea, Vietnam, the Gulf War, Afghanistan and Iraq. The company also provides a broad range of consumer and contractor safety products through retail channels. These products are marketed and sold under the MSA Safety Works brand. MSA has annual sales of more than $850 million, manufacturing operations throughout the United States and Europe, and more than 30 international locations. Additional information is available on the company's Web site at www.msanet.com.

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    thank god! down with spiros and their f-ing spirohatch
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    How much time have you actually spent in the Air Force Spectre? The current SCBA has nothing wrong with it. It sounds like they are creating a system that will be impossible to fix on your own and that is going to cost a huge amount of money. Also they have done side by side tests of all the leading company’s SCBA's and the Spiromatic came out far and ahead above everyone else. For me I'll take protection and ease over cost and complicated any day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BarAnz
    How much time have you actually spent in the Air Force Spectre? The current SCBA has nothing wrong with it. It sounds like they are creating a system that will be impossible to fix on your own and that is going to cost a huge amount of money. Also they have done side by side tests of all the leading company’s SCBA's and the Spiromatic came out far and ahead above everyone else. For me I'll take protection and ease over cost and complicated any day.
    ...I am not putting down Sprio as a repirtory protection company, but our current SCBAs are outdated and the contract is up with the Air Force and Spiro anyways. The decision came from a amount of feedback and surveys submitted by Chief's and USAF Fire Protection leaders. I for one am happy about the new contract, but that is my personal opinion. I have had numerous problems with my JFIRE Spiro Mask. Being protected from CBRN attacks during wartime is kinda a big deal to me. Again, my opinion but pick at it if you will.

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    I have used the Interspiro and know many USAF FFs. I have never heard a positive comment in regards to them. I hated it-and I have used multiple models of MSAs and Scotts.

    With all the Scott vs MSA arguments on the forums here, where have you EVER seen anyone advocate for Interspiro? Do a search-I just did-and with one or two exceptions, everyone who has weighed in on them disliked them.

    Quote Originally Posted by BarAnz
    It sounds like they are creating a system that will be impossible to fix on your own and that is going to cost a huge amount of money.
    That is exactly what everyone said when the first AF Interspiros came out. Some things never change.

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    The chair force got had on the whole spiro deal... hands down... the biggest piece of garbage they could have bought. Ive use Spiros (new and old ), Dragers, Scotts and Survive Air. The all have had their kinks but the Sprio takes they cake fellas!

    NE 1 else heard the rumor some retired higher up AF Fire Cronie sold the spiro contract to the AF way back when????? Just wondering the truth behind that on...

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    ok, fine, you wanna challenge my time in service as some sort of way of proving that I have no idea what I'm talking about.

    regardless of how long I've been in the AF I've still been using an interspiro SCBA every day for the last month and a half. In that short time it didn't take long to see that they're junk. Visibility, field of vision wise, is horrible, they're heavier and more cumbersome to wear then the Scotts, and breathing through the "spirohatch" is all but impossible. it's like trying to breath through a coffee stir straw.

    They also break constantly, and are rather difficult to clean throughly.

    But you know, what do I know? It's not like I'll be wearing one again tomorow for 4 hours straight.
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    WWWOOOOWWW, impressive. But hey love your picture in your profile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BarAnz
    WWWOOOOWWW, impressive. But hey love your picture in your profile.

    who are you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ColoradoFireGuy
    The chair force got had on the whole spiro deal... hands down... the biggest piece of garbage they could have bought. Ive use Spiros (new and old ), Dragers, Scotts and Survive Air. The all have had their kinks but the Sprio takes they cake fellas!

    NE 1 else heard the rumor some retired higher up AF Fire Cronie sold the spiro contract to the AF way back when????? Just wondering the truth behind that on...
    ...Your right he was a retired fire cronie and he went to go work for Interspiro. He gave the AF a contract offer, and, unfortunately the AF went with the deal.

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    All I have to say is "Hope they get them into the field before I retire!!!" Five more years...Yeah!!!
    Just someone trying to help! (And by the way....Thanks for YOUR help!)

    Aggressive does not have to equal stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THEFIRENUT
    All I have to say is "Hope they get them into the field before I retire!!!" Five more years...Yeah!!!
    ...i don't think this article said it, but i believe they are projecting for 08/09 for the transition.

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    Just my 2 cents. My department switched to Interspiro last year (the cities choice to save money) when our Scotts approahced the end of their service life. The new Spiro's have been nothing short of a NIGHTMARE ever since. The packs are shoddy and have had numerous life threatening malfunctions while in IDLH atmospheres. After months of band aid fixes from Interspiro, the city is looking into getting rid of all of these garbage packs and goin back to Scotts. Thank God.

    By the way Spectre, how are you enjoying the Air Force?

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    Other than minor things like a bad o-ring here and there. Now, I can understnd how the New spiro has problems but not the spiromatic. In my five years in the Air Force and one year being in charge of our SCBA program I haven't had any major problems. Preventive maint. goes a long way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BarAnz
    In my five years in the Air Force and one year being in charge of our SCBA program I haven't had any major problems.
    Congratulations-you are the exception to the rule. What kind of fairy dust are you sprinkling over those things? Enquiring minds want to know.

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    Every year the masks are inspected and most of our people are Level B trained, so they have an idea on how to make minor fixes themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BarAnz
    Every year the masks are inspected and most of our people are Level B trained, so they have an idea on how to make minor fixes themselves.
    ...you know, we have quite a large SCBA program as well, with bi-annual mask inspections and regular maintenance of the sort. But, what I worry about is the failure during emergencies, hell, we have had one in the last year, and one of our boys almost inhaled some very nasty stuff. Point is, no matter how many inspections you do, poor quality just isn't what I need protecting my life.

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    If the threat of failure is so high and the equipment just plan garbage has any department ever put a stop to interior firefighting? It's the duty of everyone on the fire ground to watch out for safety isn't it? Everyone here seems to think that the spiro is a huge safety hazard. Then why are you still using it?? Firefighter safety First, right??

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    Quote Originally Posted by BarAnz
    If the threat of failure is so high and the equipment just plan garbage has any department ever put a stop to interior firefighting? It's the duty of everyone on the fire ground to watch out for safety isn't it? Everyone here seems to think that the spiro is a huge safety hazard. Then why are you still using it?? Firefighter safety First, right??
    Unfortunately . . . . like it or not . . . everything has a price. I am sure the Air Force did a Risk Assessment and said it wasn't worth the price to switch over at that time. It happens, but times have changed. YEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAA!

    By the way, include me in the "hater" crowd. No matter what dress youwant to put on that pig . . . it's still a pig.

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    ****, interior firefighting in itself is a safety hazard. I guess we should put a stop to t hat as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joweber
    Unfortunately . . . . like it or not . . . everything has a price. I am sure the Air Force did a Risk Assessment and said it wasn't worth the price to switch over at that time. It happens, but times have changed. YEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAA!

    By the way, include me in the "hater" crowd. No matter what dress youwant to put on that pig . . . it's still a pig.
    ALL G.I.'s are expendable. That's why the military has been using the Spiros for so long. I talk to the "airpack guy" at every dept. that I go to, and they say keeping them in service is a full time job.
    Just someone trying to help! (And by the way....Thanks for YOUR help!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by THEFIRENUT
    ALL G.I.'s are expendable. That's why the military has been using the Spiros for so long. I talk to the "airpack guy" at every dept. that I go to, and they say keeping them in service is a full time job.
    Unfortunately so, when we are using our entire J-LIST ensemble for wartime firefighting with the J-FIRE Interspiro mask, they only give us like a 4/6 ratio for survival, out of 10, 6 will live. Just enought to continue the Air Force's mission.

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    You know spectre it's one thing to do your job, which obviously has risk. But it's another to place yourself in that hazardous enviroment with faulty or sub par equipment. I have never had a problem with interspiro, so I like using it for the fact that it easy to maintian because I am qualified to work on it.

    It's one thing spectre for everyone to think your an idiot, but it's another to open your mouth and prove it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BarAnz
    You know spectre it's one thing to do your job, which obviously has risk. But it's another to place yourself in that hazardous enviroment with faulty or sub par equipment. I have never had a problem with interspiro, so I like using it for the fact that it easy to maintian because I am qualified to work on it.

    It's one thing spectre for everyone to think your an idiot, but it's another to open your mouth and prove it.
    oh I see. So now we wanna get personal.

    So not only are you gonna just ignore that fact that every other firefighter who's jumped in here has agreed with me, you just wanna ignore all that and try and call ME an idiot, for some reason I'm obviously too much of an idiot to figure out.

    Good call ******.
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    WOW, still love your COOL picture in your profile. IT's SEXY. And I'm the ******.

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