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02-27-2006, 02:07 AM #1Forum Member
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You might want to try your search again. This topic has been hashed out several times in this forum. I did a search and found quite a few threads with this topic. Some people use PPV and love it and others don't use it and never will. I believe it could be helpful in certain situations, but it can be very dangerous.
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my question is to how many dept's use ppv at structure fires compared to negitive pressure and is it used for entry or just ventilation and your thoughts on one verses the other? ( yes i did a search and nothing was found)Just someone trying to help! (And by the way....Thanks for YOUR help!)
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02-27-2006, 11:28 AM #3Forum Member
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I love it
In my opinion PPV is the most misunderstood/underused tool we have in the fire service.Most all the myths about how dangerous it is have been proven false by studies done in different departments.Tempest has a great video that discusses its use by Salt Lake FD which is real informative.Its a great place to start if you want information on using PPV.
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Then again, they "may" be biased..... Originally Posted by smokey63
Max, here is a thread from just a couple of weeks ago....
PPV threadChief Dwayne LeBlanc
Paincourtville Volunteer Fire Department
Paincourtville, LA
"I have a dream. It's not a big dream, it's just a little dream. My dream — and I hope you don't find this too crazy — is that I would like the people of this community to feel that if, God forbid, there were a fire, calling the fire department would actually be a wise thing to do. You can't have people, if their houses are burning down, saying, 'Whatever you do, don't call the fire department!' That would be bad."
— C.D. Bales, "Roxanne"
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I love the ppv fight! We never use it, never will. Totally unneeded tactic.
I am a complacent liability to the fire service
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We use it after the fires out. We do not use it during an initial attack. PPV is a great tool that has its time and place. We use it to clear out smoke... After the windows are out and the roof is opened (when necessary). This a lot like CAFS. You do what works best for you.
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(In the voice of Slim Pickens) Ditto! Originally Posted by ChicagoFF
FTM-PTBLast edited by FFFRED; 02-27-2006 at 03:59 PM.
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Ok 4th and Fred. I know that the CFD has a PPV unit. How about FDNY? I can't see how anyone can be against a piece of equipment. Maybe the way said equipment is used. But come on 4th, have you ever even used a fan? (Not the ones who bring you coffee cakes)
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Maybe in your area, and with your particular modus operandi, but it works in some places, in some situations. Works for us. Originally Posted by ChicagoFF
Chief Dwayne LeBlanc
Paincourtville Volunteer Fire Department
Paincourtville, LA
"I have a dream. It's not a big dream, it's just a little dream. My dream — and I hope you don't find this too crazy — is that I would like the people of this community to feel that if, God forbid, there were a fire, calling the fire department would actually be a wise thing to do. You can't have people, if their houses are burning down, saying, 'Whatever you do, don't call the fire department!' That would be bad."
— C.D. Bales, "Roxanne"
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Are you talking about that giant one on the back of a truck? 48" or something close to it. I think they got that for the subway but I dont know if it has ever been used. We also have 2 smoke ejector trucks that might get used once a year each. Other than that, no, I have never even seen a ppv fan. Have you ever seen one in the city? I don't think we even have any. Originally Posted by MIKEYLIKESIT
Ok 4th and Fred. I know that the CFD has a PPV unit. How about FDNY? I can't see how anyone can be against a piece of equipment. Maybe the way said equipment is used. But come on 4th, have you ever even used a fan? (Not the ones who bring you coffee cakes)I am a complacent liability to the fire service
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opening old wound
gentilmen, i stand corrected!
i ran a search and no hits came up under positive pressure ventilation ,sorry for the overload !!
but while on the subject i must say i use ppv for ventilation all the time to clear a structure but not for entry. once the fire has been found and knocked down ppv is started right away while interior ventilation continues. it has been a real asset removing smoke, gases and co 10 times faster than negetive ventilation creating a safer environment for our firefighters.
THANKS FOR THE REPLYS !!
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We use PPV, hand in hand with fire attack. It is very effective in clearing the smoke and heat allowing you to get to the fire quicker. Reduces the chance of flashover and ventilation is accomplished quicker. Just remember your exit opening. But we don't use it in all situations,because every situation is different.
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There nice when you want to clear out the training tower.
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