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    Default This is just so wrong....

    This is from Billy Goldfeder's site...

    A demonstration of "firefighting" at a public safety event that is Darwinian at best...

    http://www.firefighterclosecalls.com...ningMishap.wmv

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    Absolute retards.........that entire dept should be shut down, the TO shot, and the Chief hung......are u kidding me??????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Wtf......?
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    That's one of the most idiotic things I've ever seen! What the hell were they trying to prove?!




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    HOLY CRAP! Not only was that dangerous but now the whole department (and the whole service to include us) looks like a bunch of dumba@@'s to those people.
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    I am just in shock. I can't figure out what the point of the whole thing is. I don't know what is worse, the guys crawling directly into the fire, or their "help" being in a bunker coat and helmet, nothing else. I wish someone could give my a clue as to what the point of this whole thing is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by firemedic8107
    I am just in shock. I can't figure out what the point of the whole thing is. I don't know what is worse, the guys crawling directly into the fire, or their "help" being in a bunker coat and helmet, nothing else. I wish someone could give my a clue as to what the point of this whole thing is.
    Take a "real close look" at the guy in the bunker coat, lid and jeans....
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    All together now..

    WHAT THE F*CK

    I've gotten my lid a little crispy, I've felt a little heat, but you don't go crawling into a building thats fully involved like that with fire down to the floor. That's just flat out STUPID.

    Anyone know what PG station it is, assuming it's PG County, and not "Podunk Garfield FD? "
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    The question is, how long would they have stayed in if the hero in the jeans didn't step in to pull them out.

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    Listen to the guy narrating (I'm assuming the guy in jeans)...notice how he goes silent -- or maybe mumbles something he shouldn't have in front of the kids -- the second the firefighter starts crawling in...almost like the "WTF" moment was hitting him right then.

    "They have to get down low..." and then it stops about when you'd normally want to say, "then open up the nozzle" but you see them go inside instead.

    From the firefighterclosecalls site, it was a PG department that the video was "courtesy of" but it doesn't say if it was their own company's **** up or not.

    I just don't fracking understand anything about this fracking situation. I don't get it, I don't get it, I don't get it. Sadly, I've been told Goldfeder has enough videos, this doesn't rank as the stupidest one in his collection...

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    I don't know what is worse, the guys crawling directly into the fire, or their "help" being in a bunker coat and helmet, nothing else.

    Without trying to be to harsh...

    Think about what you wrote.

    There isn't any comparison about what was the "worse" decision.

    One was a guy who probably had no intention to being involved in operations.

    The other has people who where not trained, where not experienced, and placed in a position they should not have been placed in.

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    basically a dupe post...
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    WOW!!!

    Very bad idea from the start. I hope those guys were not burned or hurt too bad.

    Someone needs to be held accountable for that so it doesn't happen again.

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    WOW! That is all I can say.

    Anyone have any further details besides the video?

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    Angry lost for words ?

    outrage is the only word i can think of when seeing this video!!! this is total indifference to human life and what makes it worse is the fact they fried brother firefighters in front of family members and the community. to watch a brothers mask melt off his face do to someones lack of common sence and lack of respect to the safety of others is totally unexceptal in todays fire service nomatter were it is !!!! unfinished pine and plywood was a ticking time bomb when they lit the fire,and no visible safety procudures in place is a descrace. this was just short of flashover tempetures and i'am sure the injuries were severe (baked in your turnout gear)!! the worst part is this is a common accurence in training and you think we would learn from all the other times it has happened ? listening to the crowd makes it even harder to watch, they knew something was wrong before the officers. WOW doesn't even cover it !!!!!

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    Angry Quote from Chief Gorrell

    Elsewhere on these forums a certain Chief Gorrell is quoted as saying

    "If they are afraid to get burnt they're on the wrong job"

    I take then that this lot would be welcomed with open arms--or if you are burnt enough-open stumps?

    I am utterly amazed and dumbfounded by what I witnessed--do you have training sessions where you throw items into the back of roaring furnaces and get the guys to crawl in and retrieve same?

    If this is a prime example of American Fire Training, thank God I did mine in Britain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2andfrom
    Elsewhere on these forums a certain Chief Gorrell is quoted as saying

    "If they are afraid to get burnt they're on the wrong job"

    I take then that this lot would be welcomed with open arms--or if you are burnt enough-open stumps?

    I am utterly amazed and dumbfounded by what I witnessed--do you have training sessions where you throw items into the back of roaring furnaces and get the guys to crawl in and retrieve same?

    If this is a prime example of American Fire Training, thank God I did mine in Britain.
    I beg to differ with you. This is NOT a prime example of American Fire Training. Thank you and have a nice day.
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    I hate to repeat it, but what the #@*% ?!?!?!

    Was this some kind of effort for fire safety/prevention judging by the kids I heard in the background? If the strategy was to scare the hell out of them I think it worked by listening to the kids' voices in the background.

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    What the hell was that about??[/
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    My guess is that they wanted to show off for the crowd, that whole "We'll show them what firefighting is all about" macho mentality. Our job is tough enough with adding in astronomical stupidity.


    2andfrom, I'm not sure where you got your opinion of American training but this is not a "prime example of American Fire Training". Our Instructors would tear us limb from limb for trying something so stupid, not to mention the fact that we would be off the department before we were out of our gear. This is something we like to refer to as, gross negligence, and you can be terminated for it.

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    2andfrom....

    Quote Originally Posted by 2andfrom
    Elsewhere on these forums a certain Chief Gorrell is quoted as saying

    "If they are afraid to get burnt they're on the wrong job"

    I take then that this lot would be welcomed with open arms--or if you are burnt enough-open stumps?

    I am utterly amazed and dumbfounded by what I witnessed--do you have training sessions where you throw items into the back of roaring furnaces and get the guys to crawl in and retrieve same?

    If this is a prime example of American Fire Training, thank God I did mine in Britain.
    I work part-time as a fire training instructor at the local tech college as well as serve as training officer for my volly FD. This is NOT a prime example of anything other than some serious stupidity. I can't say at this point whether that is the fault of the officer in charge or the person on the nozzle. If one of my co-instructors ever tried to force a student to do anything close to that I guarantee he would be fired.

    The safety record of the college I teach for is incredible. We have had few serious injuries of any kind over the 25 years i have taught there. In fact I believe I might have been the most seriously injured of anyone. I had to push students out of the burn room who did not listen and were filling the room with steam. They were not injured I was.

    My job is to prepare student firefighters for the real world and part of that is making it clear to them that staying safe as possible is part of THEIR job as firefighters. Injuries occur, burns occur, should we accept it as part of the job and shrug it off? Perhaps, we all know they can occur, but if a FF is injured or burned a close look at why should be taken and measures taken to try and prevent it from re-occuring.

    I find your comment about this being a prime example of fire training in the US insulting and even more ill informed.

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    Originally Posted by 2andfrom
    Elsewhere on these forums a certain Chief Gorrell is quoted as saying

    "If they are afraid to get burnt they're on the wrong job"

    I take then that this lot would be welcomed with open arms--or if you are burnt enough-open stumps?

    I am utterly amazed and dumbfounded by what I witnessed--do you have training sessions where you throw items into the back of roaring furnaces and get the guys to crawl in and retrieve same?

    If this is a prime example of American Fire Training, thank God I did mine in Britain
    This is like watching a bunch of rioting soccer hooligans from the UK and labeling all the fans from their behaviour.

    What happened here was not an example of "American fire training".

    This was a few firefighters trying to "put on a show" for the public.

    Extremely poor and life threatening decisions were made by all of those involved.
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    This has been around for a little while. If I remember correctly the guys making entry are both brand new. The little girl crying in the audience to "get them out" is one of the firefighters daughters. They both survived with one being flown with burns to the hands, neck and face. I think this is a fine example of what happens when there is no experienced personnel to lead the crew. Mister microphone was apparently too busy or timid to say anything and I'm sure if any of you where present there would have been language used not normally spoken in PR events.

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    Quote Originally Posted by firemedic8107
    I am just in shock. I can't figure out what the point of the whole thing is. I don't know what is worse, the guys crawling directly into the fire, or their "help" being in a bunker coat and helmet, nothing else. I wish someone could give my a clue as to what the point of this whole thing is.

    I think Dal's right - the guy in the PG coat looked like he realized he was watching a train wreck and decided to jump in and do something about it. As soon as they're out, you can hear him yelling what sounds like 'gimme that hose'. And while I'm on that, had he not intervened I wonder at what point someone would have thought 'hey they're on fire I might want to flow some water'.

    I really don't know what to say. Did the folks crawling into the fire not have any training? I just can't imagine anybody with formal training making an entry like these guys! Like everyone said, WTF? Does anybody know the details?

    One final thought: Somebody or somebodies really needs to find a different way to serve their community.

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    I have watched this video over and over and I still have no words to describe it. If you notice, the second guy on the line goes in and just sits there. What is wrong with them? Just plain stupid..stupid...stupid.
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