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    Default What Not To Do In Training Videos, Continued

    Hmmm...ok Probies:

    Did these guys use:
    a) A combustible liquid such as Kerosene as the accelerant at a demolition training burn?
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    b) A flammable liquid such as Gasoline as the accelerant at a demolition training burn?

    While it's a huge video and will take about 10 minutes to download (broadband).

    Those of you with spincter control issues when surprised will need to take this time to pull on your Depends, because when "it" happens, you will **** your pants. Seriously.

    http://inetdocs.loudoun.gov/fire/doc...rdamburndo.mpg

    If you wait to the very end, you will see "it" again in slow motion.


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    Ok, I got it down to about 4 or 5 minutes to download:

    http://www.d90.us/fire/amsterdamburndo.mpeg

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    so....what really happend. looked like gas to me. but it must have been a lit to level that house. also, anyone know how those firemen did...the ones who looked like they took the brunt of the explosion?

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    What I was able to dig up on background:

    http://www.firehouse.com/training/ne...2/0430_ny.html

    http://www.firehouse.com/training/ne...2/0429_ny.html

    From the first link:
    Saturday's exercise in Amsterdam was far different, (Cranesville ***'t Chief) Beyer said. No one was inside the building. And the district followed protocols for live training established by the National Fire Protection Association, even though New York fire districts are not legally required to do so, he said.

    Yeah, right.

    There are reasons 1403 says no liquids in acquired structures, and only combustible liquids with a flash point above 100* F in specially designed structures.

    Even if you're going to squint and say they weren't training in the building...the alarm bells should have been going off "Hmmm, why does 1403 never allow flammable liquids?"

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    HOLY SH*T!!!!

    Amazing. Was anyone killed or seriously injured? (I have not taken time to read the associated articles yet)


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    There are no words to describe how that video makes me feel.

    I am sitting here practiacally slack-jawed at this.
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    WOW! All I have to say is I'm glad I don't live anywhere near any of these places!

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    WTF caused that?
    Visor down......visor down

    You can hear the guy on the tape saying something about it burning towards the camera. To old for natural gas, dont see a propane tank, gun powder, take an enormous amount of fuel, gun powder maybe..........whatever it was it reacted terribly with that flare
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    According to the articles, the worst injury was a jeg fracture. Everyone lived. Could they have poured gasoline throughout the house and when they threw the flare in all the vapors inside the house exploded? In any case, everyone was VERY lucky to survive that.
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    I'm pretty sure there was no way that was a 1403 compliant burn. If I recall correctly, 1403 requires a building inspector to issue a certificate of occupancy. I'd be shocked if that building, which as the narrator says, is 'gutted' gets such a certificate.
    Hope no one was hurt.

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    I believe what the old man was trying to point out to the kids was the structure had been weakened to encourage it to collapse towards them. (Looks like there was another house down hill on the C/D corner).

    Fred, it just boggles my mind.

    I guess maybe I have rose colored glasses. I joined a fire company when I was 16, and remember back then when we had live burns the Chiefs & senior former officers would talk about taking nearly every step that's in NFPA 1403. And the few we didn't meet, we still did safely (like using small amounts of Kerosene and never gasoline on controlled burns).

    I just can't believe how often really stupid **** like this goes on. Hell, I can even see rednecks blowing up a house. I still can't phathom the Maryland "lets go into a fully involved shed and sit there while everyone else looks on with a thumb up their ***" video.

    Total, apathetic, cluelessness.

    And most of what we do is not that complicated.

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    Chief Squirrel --

    The "certificate of occupancy" doesn't appear as that phrase in 1403.

    I would assume meeting building code is required for purpose-built training buildings. Not for acquired structures like this.

    Considering in my area CO requires items like electrical power & a working stove there's not really anyway a CO would be compatible with an acquired burn building!

    1403 is available at: http://www.ci.yakima.wa.us/services/fire/NFPA1403.pdf

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    "Hmmm, them gasoline vapors
    kinda build up....better throw that flare
    in Skippy so you don't get burnt."

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    Dalmation - Thanks for calling me on that.
    After reviewing my 1403 book, no certificate is required - however, locally, we're required to have the building inspected by an inspector to check for 'unsafe conditions' and to make sure things like handrails are secure, all holes are patched, floor openings are appropriately covered, stair treads are in place, etc.

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    Im pretty sure the guys used gasoline, and a lot of it at that. When the flare was thrown in, boom goes the vapors. We used to show this video in an NFPA rules class I took a few years ago.
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    That's wild. Thank god no one was killed.

    That one is definitely going to get some distribution.

    Another good arguement for 1403.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcaldwell
    Another good arguement for 1403.
    Should you really need a written code to tell you not to do that?!?
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    HOLY SH@#!!!!!!!! Now that's a video that definitely shows what NOT to do...maybe if they hadn't spent so much time yelling "SHOWTIME", someone
    (maybe the 2 guys in the white helmets) would have realized that this was not a good idea. Boy, they weren't kidding when they yelled "SHOWTIME"...it certainly was a good show!!

    Just my 2 cents...Stay Safe...

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    As soon as I saw the two white helmets milling around I knew something "unexpected" was going to happen. At least the guy talking in the background told the kids to kick the boards off the road. He even said to watch out for nails,which seems like more of a warning than the guy lighting the building had.

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    WOW ! and I will second everyone's HOLY S&*T ! I hope they know some good proctologists as I wonder their *********s have opened up yet ? And this was definetly NOT a 1403 compliant burn, I was expecting something to happen, but not THAT !
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