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    Default NJ Bill makes anonymous forum posting illegal

    Here is the statement from NJ Assembly Bill 1327. This is going to be extremely difficult to enforce.
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    This bill would require an operator of any interactive computer service or an Internet service provider to establish, maintain and enforce a policy requiring an information content provider who posts messages on a public forum website either to be identified by legal name and address or to register a legal name and address with the operator or provider prior to posting messages on a public forum website.

    The bill requires an operator of an interactive computer service or an Internet service provider to establish and maintain reasonable procedures to enable any person to request and obtain disclosure of the legal name and address of an information content provider who posts false or defamatory information about the person on a public forum website.

    In addition, the bill makes any operator or Internet service provider liable for compensatory and punitive damages as well as costs of a law suit filed by a person damaged by the posting of such messages if the operator or Internet service provider fails to establish, maintain and enforce the policy required by section 2 of the bill.

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    Not a snow balls chance in hell it would be upheld under current U.S. Supreme Court case law.

    From McIntyre v. Ohio Elections Commission (1995)

    Under our Constitution, anonymous pamphleteering is not a pernicious, fraudulent practice, but an honorable tradition of advocacy and of dissent. Anonymity is a shield from the tyranny of the majority.

    Which referenced heavily Talley v. Los Angeles (1960):
    Despite readers' curiosity and the public's interest in identifying the creator of a work of art, an author generally is free to decide whether or not to disclose her true identity. The decision in favor of anonymity may be motivated by fear of economic or official retaliation, by concern about social ostracism, or merely by a desire to preserve as much of one's privacy as possible. Whatever the motivation may be, at least in the field of literary endeavor, the interest in having anonymous works enter the marketplace of ideas unquestionably outweighs any public interest in requiring disclosure as a condition of entry.


    Requiring the collection of identifying information will be found to be a First Amendment violation.

    That's not to say there is a corresponding obligation to protect privacy -- if a provider collects information such as IP addresses, credit card numbers, etc they can be compelled to turn those over.

    Just my humble opinion of course

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalmatian190
    Not a snow balls chance in hell it would be upheld under current U.S. Supreme Court case law.

    From McIntyre v. Ohio Elections Commission (1995)

    Under our Constitution, anonymous pamphleteering is not a pernicious, fraudulent practice, but an honorable tradition of advocacy and of dissent. Anonymity is a shield from the tyranny of the majority.

    Which referenced heavily Talley v. Los Angeles (1960):
    Despite readers' curiosity and the public's interest in identifying the creator of a work of art, an author generally is free to decide whether or not to disclose her true identity. The decision in favor of anonymity may be motivated by fear of economic or official retaliation, by concern about social ostracism, or merely by a desire to preserve as much of one's privacy as possible. Whatever the motivation may be, at least in the field of literary endeavor, the interest in having anonymous works enter the marketplace of ideas unquestionably outweighs any public interest in requiring disclosure as a condition of entry.


    Requiring the collection of identifying information will be found to be a First Amendment violation.

    That's not to say there is a corresponding obligation to protect privacy -- if a provider collects information such as IP addresses, credit card numbers, etc they can be compelled to turn those over.

    Just my humble opinion of course
    OK, Mr. Expert...did you not read the part where this is in NEW JERSEY? When has the constitution of the US ever played the slightest role in what our legislature does? Please read carefully before you post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI
    OK, Mr. Expert...did you not read the part where this is in NEW JERSEY? When has the constitution of the US ever played the slightest role in what our legislature does? Please read carefully before you post.

    I can see every firefighter complying with the name they get called at the firehouse by using it on an internet forum...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI
    OK, Mr. Expert...did you not read the part where this is in NEW JERSEY? When has the constitution of the US ever played the slightest role in what our legislature does? Please read carefully before you post.
    If it passes. And is challenged, federal authority via the Constitution would supercede.

    That's a no brainer.
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    I don't see this happening either. I didn't research the bill's wording but New Jersey what? Is it refering to a poster that lives in NJ, a website operated by someone in NJ, or hosted on a server in NJ? It looks like there are too many unanswerable questions.

    And not to pick on NJ, but aren't there more important things to worry about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RDog14
    And not to pick on NJ, but aren't there more important things to worry about?
    No. This is NJ. If there weren't things like this to worry about, they would have to concentrate on the $1.5 BILLION deficit they have right now. Concentrating on issues like anonymous Internet forum posting allows them to do something without doing something.

    BTW, I re-read my response to Dal. Please understand the sarcasm mode was on HIGH.

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    Who is this NJ Bill guy anyhow? His name pops up from time to time, but is this his "real" name? Is he like Buffalo Bill or Wild Bill Hicock?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainGonzo
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    So when does this apply?
    - If the user lives in New Jersey?
    - If the owner of the forum lives in New Jersey?
    - If the hosting service is in New Jersey?
    Even the burger-flippers at McDonald's probably have some McWackers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nmfire
    So when does this apply?
    - If the user lives in New Jersey?
    - If the owner of the forum lives in New Jersey?
    - If the hosting service is in New Jersey?
    HEY! That was a serious question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainGonzo
    I can see every firefighter complying with the name they get called at the firehouse by using it on an internet forum...

    Posted by: Dick Head
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    You also forgot:
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelsDad
    You also forgot:
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    Posted by: Harry P. Ness
    Let me add:

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    Did you two hang out together?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by len1582
    Did you two hang out together?????
    No, he thought there was something wrong wth me. Every time I saw him, I couldnt help but laugh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave1983
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