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    Default Can we hurt our future chances?

    The department I'm on is in the process of putting together an application for a brush/inital attack vehicle for this year. If we end up getting the grant, would that hurt our chances if we wanted to go for PPE in the future? In other words, would someone look at next year's PPE application and think "if they got a vehicle last year they must not need the PPE that badly"?

    What if we don't get the vehicle this year? Do they look at what you applied for in the past or just what you received?

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    Only if you try to apply for the same thing again. Such as PPE in 2002 and applying again for it in 2006. Otherwise each year is treated independent from the previous years. Truck awards won't prevent future equipment awards.

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    So does that mean that if you apply for PPE in 2002 and don't get it, you shouldn't apply for it again in 2003, or can you apply for it again if you don't get it the first time?

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    If the need is there, then apply again. Maybe something was missing with the narrative that needs clarification. If it didn't make PR then maybe the PPE isn't old enough to meet priorities (<10 years). Without an assessment you'll never know if you're going for the right project.

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    Keep in mind that your narrative for a truck may not be as compelling to peer review if you can't state that you have compliant PPE for all personnel. They don't want to give you a truck to fight fires for which you don't have adequate PPE.

    If I were you--and I know you probably have other voices that don't see it this way--I would apply for the PPE this year and get yourself a more compelling truck narrative next year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EastKyFF
    Keep in mind that your narrative for a truck may not be as compelling to peer review if you can't state that you have compliant PPE for all personnel. They don't want to give you a truck to fight fires for which you don't have adequate PPE.

    If I were you--and I know you probably have other voices that don't see it this way--I would apply for the PPE this year and get yourself a more compelling truck narrative next year.
    Preaching to the choir my friend

    Any good ideas on how to win some souls?

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    Show them the program guidance for vehicles and PPE. And point out that about 1 in 4 of all applications is funded, compared to 1 in 9 or 1 in 11 (can't remember which) of vehicle applications.

    And if that doesn't work, bribe them with chocolate chip cookies.
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    It's in the DHS PPT, not the PG. 1 in 10 for apparatus, 1 in 4 for equipment is right though.


    MMMMMM, chocolate.

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    Like BC79er stated earlier, Truck awards won't prevent future equipment awards. We were awarded a grant for an engine in 2003, then PPE in 2004. Our situation may have been different, as our membership had grown in that year. We're all volunteer. We didn't try to equip everyone, just 4 sets of turnout and 4 SCBA's. We also had a TIC in the application that got awarded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BC79er
    It's in the DHS PPT, not the PG. 1 in 10 for apparatus, 1 in 4 for equipment is right though.


    MMMMMM, chocolate.

    and you don't need to apply for a grant to get chocolate from me.


    ok. back to being the quiet student for now.

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