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    right now im going threw the fire academy in northwest fl. and tonight i learned something that i will never forget.!!! if you remember what i fist wrote see fire academy part 2. its all the truth this time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ffarasnick
    right now im going threw the fire academy in northwest fl. and at first i loved it but now that i am half way done with it i hate it. i go there for 4 to 8 hours everyday and i get nothing out of it. we were told on the first day of class that we were going to learn how to be firefighters and then they told us that they arnt going to teach us how to be firefighters they were going to teach us how to pass the state test. now on top of that each instructor has their own way of doing things, which is fine, but now we dont even know whats their way or the states way. what do you think should be taught in the fire academy and can anyone give me some words to go on so i can get threw this???
    I would just resign. There is sure to be someone who is not a little crybaby who wants the spot.

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    George, 6700 posts means you don't have a life--it doesn't mean you can be a total jerk. As my mother told me--if you don't have something nice to say, keep yer yap SHUT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI
    I would just resign. There is sure to be someone who is not a little crybaby who wants the spot.

    LMAO couldn't agree more LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulmarsh
    George, 6700 posts means you don't have a life--it doesn't mean you can be a total jerk. As my mother told me--if you don't have something nice to say, keep yer yap SHUT.
    This will be fun to watch!

    Oh, and ffarasnick I would suggest 1) either quit or suck it up and finish and 2) learn spelling, capitalization, and punctuation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EFD840
    This will be fun to watch!

    Oh, and ffarasnick I would suggest 1) either quit or suck it up and finish and 2) learn spelling, capitalization, and punctuation.
    I hope you chose not to check your own punctualization out of a deep love of irony.

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    Originally Posted by ffarasnick
    right now im going threw the fire academy in northwest fl. and at first i loved it but now that i am half way done with it i hate it. i go there for 4 to 8 hours everyday and i get nothing out of it. we were told on the first day of class that we were going to learn how to be firefighters and then they told us that they arnt going to teach us how to be firefighters they were going to teach us how to pass the state test. now on top of that each instructor has their own way of doing things, which is fine, but now we dont even know whats their way or the states way. what do you think should be taught in the fire academy and can anyone give me some words to go on so i can get threw this???
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    I would just resign. There is sure to be someone who is not a little crybaby who wants the spot.
    Could this be a reincarnation of the infamous Woody from Maplewood, Ohio.. home of the "supper pumper" (Note: his word, not mine!) with lots of bright orange 2 and a half inch hose who knew more than his instructors at the Ohio Academy even though he flunked the 36 hour volunteer orientation course?

    Arasnick... There are literally thousands of people who would kill to be in your place right now. You have two choices...suck it up and deal with it or quit.

    Just remember... if you quit, you are going to be walking away from an opportunity of a lifetime.

    Choose wisely!
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    There is absolutly NO school in this world that can teach you to be a firefighter, none, nada, zilch. They ALL (hopefully) teach you to pass the state test. The ones who teach you to be a firefighter are the ones you will work with from day to day through your whole life. I just finished the academy a few months ago and I now have my FFII card, it says my name in nice bold letters and right under it it says "Certified State of Ohio Firefighter II". Does this mean I am a firefighter? NO, it means I now have the base upon which I can EARN my title as a firefighter. I dont even work for a fire dept yet so how can I even begin to consider myself a firefighter? Being a firefighter isnt somthing you just go through an academy and become, its somthing you earn throughout your entire life and thats why having the greatest job in the entire world holds as much respect, integrity, and dignity that it does. Shut your mouth, listen to EVERYTHING your instructors say, and get through class. THEN you can start your journey to be a firefighter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ffarasnick
    right now im going threw the fire academy in northwest fl. and at first i loved it but now that i am half way done with it i hate it. i go there for 4 to 8 hours everyday and i get nothing out of it. we were told on the first day of class that we were going to learn how to be firefighters and then they told us that they arnt going to teach us how to be firefighters they were going to teach us how to pass the state test. now on top of that each instructor has their own way of doing things, which is fine, but now we dont even know whats their way or the states way. what do you think should be taught in the fire academy and can anyone give me some words to go on so i can get threw this???
    This is called jumping through the "Hoops." In order to be a firefighter you have to jump through the "hoops." You have to pass the state exam in order to become a firefighter. Just the same as you have to pass the state exam to become and EMT. You have to pass the physical agility test to be a firefighter.

    You seeing a pattern yet????

    With that kind of attitude you'll be lucky to make it on the job let alone survive the department's academy and probation. Because I'll put money on that if you get on you'll go through even more training on "This is how we do it here." If that is a problem, leave now and give the spot to someone else.

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    There is absolutly NO school in this world that can teach you to be a firefighter, none, nada, zilch. They ALL (hopefully) teach you to pass the state test. The ones who teach you to be a firefighter are the ones you will work with from day to day through your whole life. I just finished the academy a few months ago and I now have my FFII card, it says my name in nice bold letters and right under it it says "Certified State of Ohio Firefighter II". Does this mean I am a firefighter? NO, it means I now have the base upon which I can EARN my title as a firefighter. I dont even work for a fire dept yet so how can I even begin to consider myself a firefighter? Being a firefighter isnt somthing you just go through an academy and become, its somthing you earn throughout your entire life and thats why having the greatest job in the entire world holds as much respect, integrity, and dignity that it does. Shut your mouth, listen to EVERYTHING your instructors say, and get through class. THEN you can start your journey to be a firefighter.
    ditto

    Amazing...the post I quoted is respectful in tone and word choice. Guess it's not so hard after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulmarsh
    George, 6700 posts means you don't have a life--it doesn't mean you can be a total jerk. As my mother told me--if you don't have something nice to say, keep yer yap SHUT.
    Gee, if I am being a total jerk, than so are alot of people who AGREE WITH ME. You quoting your mother? I'll quote mine. She told me to punch the crap out of anybody who talks smack to me. Now what do I do?

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    Thumbs up thanks

    Thanks for all the words. I have done some hard thinking and I have pulled my head out of my *** and grew a pair. I guess I just needed to grow up and realize that everything in life isn't going to be a walk in the park.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ffarasnick
    Thanks for all the words. I have done some hard thinking and I have pulled my head out of my *** and grew a pair. I guess I just needed to grow up and realize that everything in life isn't going to be a walk in the park.
    I'm glad you realized that. Get tough, stay tough, be smart, keep a good head on your shoulders, and you'll be fine. Make sure you're getting into this for the right reason and never lose sight of that reason, IMHOP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ffarasnick
    Thanks for all the words. I have done some hard thinking and I have pulled my head out of my *** and grew a pair. I guess I just needed to grow up and realize that everything in life isn't going to be a walk in the park.
    It takes a man to admit he is wrong. Stay safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ffarasnick
    right now im going threw the fire academy in northwest fl. and at first i loved it but now that i am half way done with it i hate it. i go there for 4 to 8 hours everyday and i get nothing out of it. we were told on the first day of class that we were going to learn how to be firefighters and then they told us that they arnt going to teach us how to be firefighters they were going to teach us how to pass the state test. now on top of that each instructor has their own way of doing things, which is fine, but now we dont even know whats their way or the states way. what do you think should be taught in the fire academy and can anyone give me some words to go on so i can get threw this???
    These instructors are either lazy or very smart. I am going with the second. They need you to pass the academy and you need it to get hired. I do not believe that a state run academy is going to help you very much,besides the basics, when you get out on the job. Each dept. is run differently and you will need to learn their ways of doing things. More than likely these guys have taught this academy before and will get you what you need to pass. Let your dept teach you what you need to know.

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    hey bro....good luck! I just graduated from an academy in Central Fla...PM or email me later..
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    OK recruit, here is some advice. Take it for what it is worth or just shut up, either way i don't really care. Recruit school is the basic foundation for the skills you will use and build upon your entire career. The instructors are there to teach you the basics for that foundation and give you what is needed to graduate, and yes pass the state exam. What you learn in recruit school also does one thing I am sure you had no idea about. It gives you just enough information to be dangerous and get yourself killed. There are alot of people who I am sure would love to take your place. You might stop complaining about it, and suck it up. Mind over matter, you don't mind it really won't matter. Listen and learn, it won't hurt you but bitching will. The instructors did not get there by being lazy and stupid. On a final note, there are alot of things in this job that are great, and alot that are crappy. As recruit you have to experience the crappy first and pass the academy. Good luck to you new guy I wish you were at my station, I like to straighten out the new people, heck, you can come over to my house and eat some cheese to go with your whine.

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    Have you looked at the state perfomance objectives?
    That is the way yhe state wants it done for the test.
    Those objectives are available to you and are posted on the internet.
    Have you looked at the following website:www.itech.pjc.edu
    Your instructors are teaching from these, they are teaching you additional information, or stuff that is niece to know.

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    Ummmm, sitting over here on the side lines waiting for the coach to put me into the game. In the meanwhile I am munching on pop corn and drinking sodas. I think I already know who will be the winner here and it sure will not be the whinny rookie. Maybe it is time that we sell some cheese to go with the whine.

    Any how, if I was pleased or satisfied with the training or the instructors and or the way that the school was going, I would turn my stuff in and go back to flipping the burgers at the burger doodle or to what ever you were doing. The fire service has enough cry babies that has slipped through the cracks over the years. When I came on the job over 30 years ago, if you whined and cried like this you would have been made shame of and force to leave, as we didnít need you but men with a set and those would could take it and lump it.

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    I just noticed that you said its in Central Florida. The warmest day during the time period I was in the academy was about 45F. Most days were below zero and I was outside all day.

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    jsut another word - 30 + years in the utility field as my primary career - and i am learning something new every year - time changes many things - going to the academy is the bottom of the education ladder for a FF - it only gets harder and more complex throught the years - stick with it!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Are you complaining because you are having second thoughts about the job in general?

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    You really don't believe you're learning anything?

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    There is alot of hazing and/or "BS" going on?

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    You are correct in that FL instructors teach you on how to pass the State test. And they do get students in trouble by teaching them "their" way. The problem is not with the instructors, but the lack of communication between the instructors and the proctors. Florida is constantly changing the way things are to be done. And as far as the practical applications it depends on if the 1 of 10 60 year old proctors are having a good day.

    I don't believe that State run schools are good. In my opinion department schools are better. In the case of Florida the Schools are a money maker for them so you do it their way or the highway.

    Take the FL EMT exam. The FL EMT exam is the NREMT test, however FL does not except a person from out of state with a valid NREMT license. And the will require you to take the FL test, which again is the NREMT exam?

    Florida IMO is the least friendly in reprocity. They don't look at producing good firefighters, but how much revenue they can earn on the schools. But I'll get off my soapbox now.

    So in the meantime. Listen to what all of the instructors have to say. They want to see you succeed. Ask questions if you don't understand. Keep your mind and eyes open, because something they show you might help you out one day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulmarsh
    George, 6700 posts means you don't have a life--it doesn't mean you can be a total jerk. As my mother told me--if you don't have something nice to say, keep yer yap SHUT.
    Does your mothers advice cover calling people jerks? GW's 6700 posts may not make him king, but your 7 mean you have offered nothing to the group except criticism of someone who takes the time to offer opinions and advice on many subjects. If anyone should be shutting their yap, it's you - jagoff.
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