Thread: Traffic Pre-Emption Equipment
03-21-2006, 11:59 AM #1
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Traffic Pre-Emption Equipment
Any Grant Experts out there?
Got a new question for you folks. Does Traffic Pre Emption Equipment for Traffic Light fit anywhere in the Firefighting Equipment group???GB
03-21-2006, 02:58 PM #2
From the PG
Traffic signal preemption systems are eligible.
03-22-2006, 09:17 AM #3
This is just my opinion.... I think the fire grant services should not be used for the traffic Pre-Emption equipment. These grants are for firefighting equipment. These traffic devices should be purchased with city money only. I would hope a grant for such devices would not make it past peer review.
03-22-2006, 02:23 PM #4Originally Posted by RES81CUE
03-22-2006, 06:38 PM #5Originally Posted by ameryfd
03-22-2006, 11:06 PM #6
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I personally think that the number of firefighter, police, and EMS who are killed annually each year, should be reason enough to make some traffic control devices a fairly high priority. If you take time to check into the the federal DOT standards include how tomproperly set up a safe work zone for vehicle fires and motor vehicle accidents. DOT requires 24" high minimum cones be placed every fifteen feet for a total of 8 times the posted speed limit in a slowly tapered pattern. Cones must have two reflective stripes. This is advanced warning preior to setting up apparatus blocking. There is a lot to this. If you want some good information I suggest contacting a fire chief named Douglas Atchinson of Madison, NJ. There are a lot of good items that are not that expensive that have a very positive impact on firefighter safety on the highways.
I'm not saying that traffic control devices should be the number One priority, but I would not hesitate to apply for funding for it. That is as long as SCBA and turn-out gear are in compliant and adequate in number for your department.
I doesn't matter how afirefighter looses his life, he or she still passes on. Eternity is Eternity.
03-23-2006, 11:03 AM #7Originally Posted by RES81CUE
Now, regarding the argument that just because it's a city, they should have more money to spend on an opticom doesn't hold water. City depts are just as cash strapped as rurals. Even though some cities fire depts may have million dollar budgets, they also have million dollar expenses with more stations, more salaries, more insurance, more fuel, more apparatus ect....
Taxpayers in cities are dishing out at least the same, and in most cases dare I say more? per capita/property taxes than their rural counterparts for fire protection and don't want to see a tax increase any more than the folks in the country.
This is the Assistance to Firefighters grant, not the Assistance to small rural fire departments grant, so cities should have the right to determine thier safety priorities the same as those of us in smaller areas.
Also, just because it's a city, doesn't mean it's an urban area. I live in a city with 3000 people, ....we have stoplights and used funds to purchase opticoms. 9 opticoms at $3000 is a stiff price for my city is a pretty stiff price that is pretty hard to afford.....I can only imagine a city that wants to install 60 or 70.
Not being crabby...just contributing to the discussion
03-23-2006, 01:50 PM #8Originally Posted by ameryfd
One of my points was that I thought the basic firefighting equipment should be purchased first. If anyone wants to argue that you must be nuts.
Another way to look at the need for the traffic pre emption devises is all of the studies that have been performed arguing if running code is really that much faster then normal response. Who is right?? I dont know.
And I didnt see any part of my post that said little department was better then bigger department. But, I did say bigger departments "I think" submit grants with a " I want to fill my shopping cart attitude."
03-24-2006, 10:26 AM #9
Originally Posted by ameryfd
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Traffic lights are a road use/traffic device not a FD device. Every state collects a tax/gallon of fuel (+fed road use tax/gallon). These $ are for road improvements and equipment. The $ are distributed to every state/local highway/road departments for this purpose. Go see your state/local road depts to pay for the accessory items which their toys (the traffic lights) should have installed and which are appropriate and needed for FF safety. The road guys are going to spend every $ they get (and in nearly all cases a LOT more $ than your FD has). They can spend some of it getting their traffic lights up to standard.
03-24-2006, 01:33 PM #10Originally Posted by neiowa
I still disagree on the need. I understand that it's not "basic firefighting equipment"......but neither is an exhaust extractor, wellness program or extrication equipment ect...yet each of those go a long way in protecting the lives of firefighters and the community, or property, as do opticoms in areas that have to deal with multitudes of traffic lights.
I agree with the statement about running code vs. response times, but the opticom is not near as much about increasing response time as it is about giving another tool to firefighters to help prevent a collision, injury or fatality at an intersection. It is obviously not a fail safe prevention, but it really does help prevent accident/injury. The risk of a collision at an intersection because someone ran a RED light is much less than if thier light was green.
Like I said....it's fun to have a thoughtful discussion...thanks!
03-24-2006, 02:10 PM #11
Traffic pre-emption in my opinion is much more valid use of grant money than exhaust systems.Even the burger-flippers at McDonald's probably have some McWackers.
03-24-2006, 05:38 PM #12Originally Posted by ameryfd
Don't get me wrong I like to get to the emergency just as fast as the other guys do but, I just have a problem with using these funds for the traffic devises. And I agree about the exhaust system statement also!! (You know I just started another argument with that statement.)
I guess I just want to say the departments (notice I didnt say citys) need to buck up and buy the toys (tools) the guys need to do there job. Lets not depend on the grants.
And I too like the spirited discussion!!
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