View Poll Results: What do you think are the biggest hazards faced today during extrication?

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  • Undeployed SRS

    23 63.89%
  • Hybrid Vehicles

    5 13.89%
  • Alternative Fuels

    4 11.11%
  • Cut Resistant Metals

    4 11.11%
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    Question The Biggest Hazard?

    What do you think are the biggest hazards faced today during extrication?
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    You didn't list mine...........other vehicles!

    But I voted undeployed SRS.
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    Same with me. The greatest risk to responders at vehicle crash scenes is actually the hazard of working in or near moving traffic. The poll is bogus without that as a choice.
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    Please feel free to post the hazard you feel creates the greatest danger.
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    hazard of working in or near moving traffic
    "This thread is being closed as it is off-topic and not related to the fire industry." - Isn't that what the Off Duty forum was for?

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    Just being there is a hazard.
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    The biggest hazards are the responders on scene that think they know what they are doing. You can control traffic to a point. But people will always be the problem.

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    Gotta agree with rolandthunder! Other agencies can be a real problem....

    From the list however, I'd suggest SRS- we simply can't keep up with the options and locations for them....
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    I agree with the traffic problem, But in keeping with the poll differently the SRS, Even as much as I keep up with them, they change so fast that you can not keep the postings up to date on the web site. I just got a bunch of pictures sent to me from the Toronto auto show, showing all the location marking on the new Volvo C70, I will have them posted one day this week, The bad thing is that we are just getting people to look for these markings and now a lot of them are talking about not showing them any more because it is hurting their sales.
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    other traffic then airbags.....
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    Umm, can I say unprotected EMS?

    Then Traffic,

    Then SRS.
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    Default biggest hazard

    rubber necking, white hair, Cadillac driving, too old to be on the road people who feel tht need to get as close to the fire truck as possible.

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    Bariatric patients!

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    On the poll, I think SRS system is our biggest hazzard. It is so under-taught and overlooked every day and they keep adding more. You could drive a 7-Series BMW off a bridge and when it impacts the water, the thing will probably float for an hour. But we all to often hop right in and start working on the patient with those things just waiting to go off.

    Not on the poll, and in my opinion the BIGGEST HAZZARD of anything we can ever do is traffic.
    Even the burger-flippers at McDonald's probably have some McWackers.

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    I agree with the rest of you, however one that I feel is overlooked way to much is what is under the hood and in the trunk. We train on Hybrids, airbags, alt fuels, traffic control, cutting in proper areas after the peal and peak method. How many of you check the trunk for meth labs, propane tanks, hosehold cleaners, gas cans. The list could go on. My answer would have to be alt fuel according to the poll. BUT man made dangers in the other column. Alan

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    How about magnesium in the engine compartment? Hondas come to mind as a manufacturer that uses magnesium. A material that burns 5,000? No thanks.

    Statistically, the biggest danger IS from traffic. Airbags aren't a worry if you cut the battery - unless the car has a capacator that's holding the juice for a while - might take as long as 5 minutes. Our rescue squad doesn't start cutting until the vehicle is stabilized, and the battery cables cut.

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    I agree on the traffic problem, followed by SRS. Particularly since SRS manufacture is (I believe) nationally regulated, but only to the point when it is delivered to the auto manufacture. Thats when things go dicey. Auto Maker A decides that he wants the SRS to deploy at X time or Y vehicle angle. Whereas Auto Maker B figures those numbers are too early. In both cases, the auto makers make changes to a safety device that at the time it was built did meet all national required safety protocols.

    ** dont shoot me on this one, this is as best as I can remember from some of the lectures we had back with Malahat VFD, which was more than 2yrs ago now.**

    I only remember some of this, because the speaker was commenting specifically regarding a new model Corvette that they got to play with, and the air bags deployed 20 MINUTES after they finished playing with the car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chopper12
    Airbags aren't a worry if you cut the battery - unless the car has a capacator that's holding the juice for a while - might take as long as 5 minutes. Our rescue squad doesn't start cutting until the vehicle is stabilized, and the battery cables cut.
    Sorry to pick on you. Don't take this personally, it is a matter of convinience. This is example A of why airbags should be #1. A lack of training results in complacentcy and ultimately in someone getting hurt. They ALL have capacitors and five minutes is the MINIMUM drain time. It can be a as long as 10 or 12 minutes depending on the design. And that is merely the electronic trigger. If the bags utilize compressed gas cylinders, they are usually located in the A & B posts, the edge of the roof, or the kick panel by your feet. You can take the battery out, wait 3 days, and it will still explode when you cut into the cylinder because you didn't know it was there.
    Even the burger-flippers at McDonald's probably have some McWackers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nmfire
    Sorry to pick on you. Don't take this personally, it is a matter of convinience. This is example A of why airbags should be #1. A lack of training results in complacentcy and ultimately in someone getting hurt. They ALL have capacitors and five minutes is the MINIMUM drain time. It can be a as long as 10 or 12 minutes depending on the design. And that is merely the electronic trigger. If the bags utilize compressed gas cylinders, they are usually located in the A & B posts, the edge of the roof, or the kick panel by your feet. You can take the battery out, wait 3 days, and it will still explode when you cut into the cylinder because you didn't know it was there.

    You have a point. I guess this is exactly why we have books listing all these things in the trucks.

    I guess what I was trying to say is that sometimes we concentrate on the obvious issues (airbags) while ignoring some that don't get as much attention.
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    I agree that working in/around moving traffic would have to be the greatest risk.

    From the list I would need to go with alternative fuels. I feel reasonably comfortable with the training available to help me deal with the challenges of undeployed airbags, Hybrids, and cut resistant metals. Iím a little (a lot) leery of propane, hydrogen fuels, and even some of the hopped up stuff you might find in performance cars.

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    As for the polls choices, I'll go with undeployed airbags. But the biggest overall hazard - traffic.
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    I agree with the traffic, however it is alot easier for me to use that big red thingy to block traffic than it is for me to remember where the SRS cylinders are for a couple thousand different vehicle makes and manufacturers.
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