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    Quote Originally Posted by Bones42
    LaFireEducator, FDNY and Boston firefighters fight fires. They are not people that aren't allowed into a burning building. They have been through firefighter training. They are capable of (or have already) actually fighting the fire. Chris did not get that opportunity. You don't see a difference, I do.

    Soooooo what you are saying is... someone like me, who has been in the dept. for 23 years, held several positions like capt and asst. chief. should not get the benni if I get in a MVA on the way to the firehouse and die, because I do not go in or pull hose anymore because of a heart attack I had 2 years ago at the age of 36. Man, by your standards a good 75% of us volly guys would not get the benni.

    I must say on this subject you seem to be very narrow minded. The Jrs in my dept work very hard around the hall and on the fire grounds. They pull just as much hose, just not inside. They do a hell of a job on extirior operations, and over haul once it is safe. They do what ever is asked, and are a great asset to our dept. And I would venture to say that they do alot more work on the fire ground then alot of the older members. As a matter of fact our Jrs are so dedicated and such a valuable part of our company that one won our departmental Fireman of the year award. Not for a lack of worthy candidats but because he does such an outsttanding job at the alarms , drills, and around the hall. And if, God forbid, something should happen to him on the way to the firehouse for an alarm, he would be just as much deserving of the death benni as someone on FDNY.


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    nitsusa, wrong. I was a junior. And I still teach juniors and explorers. And it was back when juniors were free to do more than what they are now.

    ducken, if you read all my posts, you will see that is exactly not what I was saying. I am not saying a ff who gets in an MVA and is killed does not deserve LODD status. I'm not saying that because you are doing some exterior duties you don't qualify. I'm not saying that at all. What I'm saying, is that someone who has not yet had the chance of becoming a FF, because they have not gotten the training, they have not been allowed to fight a fire, they have not been given full priviliges, is not the same as a person that has. I am saying that my mother, who is on ladies auxiliary and serves refreshments at large calls, God forbid she passes away, does not deserve LODD status. I'm saying the department photographer, who has never been a FF but is given a title to allow him closer to fire scenes to take pictures, does not deserve LODD status.

    The fact that he was killed riding his bike is no different than someone killed driving their car, or running to the building, etc. I'm not saying how he was killed is involved with this at all.

    The part I disagree with is the fact that he, who was not trained/certified/experienced is being considered an equal to those that are.
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    Well we will have to agree to dissagree. IMO it is a shame someone would keep this from his family, when he was responding to an alarm to do his duty to his comunity. Be it pulling hose for water supply, helping with rehab, helping fill air bottles, and I am sure racking hose. We all know Jrs are good at racking hose ;-)

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    Bones i read your comments and my stomach hurts im laughing so hard, By your logic, a firefighter that dies at a residential house fire does not deserve to be on the same fallen firefighters memorial as the FDNY from the WTC are on? by that logic of yours, there will not be another name put on that memorial until theres (god forbid) another national tragedy in which a firefighter leaves us.

    You are a Joke bones, a very funny one at that.

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    you sir, are the joke-you came on here and immediately started causing fights and making yourself and your own department look like poo. you are a troll-go away!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeremyCFPD View Post
    i didnt start really arguing until i was called names like idiot, moron, and was told im a child thats playing firefighter.
    Really?

    Here's part of your very first post here on FH.com:

    what you idiots from these fulltime departments like you chicago, you all think your better than everyone else,
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    then you need a reality check and you need to think again,
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    all that means is he had bigger balls than you did when you were 14
    And from your second ever post:

    we deal with stuff that would make some of your full timers lose control of their bowels.
    You managed not to be overly offensive in your third post but the forth was right back on target:

    This argument has no basis to it, i am on a full vollie department with 32 members, half of which are worthless and dont show up to anything,
    And your fifth:

    You all need to listen to this and stop blabbering nonsence unless you were once a junior firefighter,

    and i would trust that 16 year old to have my back in any fire more than i would several of the 30 year old bums iv ran into in my 4 year tenure with the fire service.

    besides, dont be so stupid
    I don't know about anybody else, but I'm thinking that recruiter didn't have to twist your arm too hard to get you to lie on your Guard application...
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    Did i say he twisted my arm at all? did i even attempt to blame the recruiter?
    I do believe i said I did the lying on my ENLISTMENT papers.

    I see nothing wrong with the 4th and 5th post, as far as i can tell, the real stuff that could be considered mean and degrading was the first and second.
    When i talk about the 30 and 40 year old bums i am telling the truth and i tell them that to their face at our very own firehouse. guys that during training sit off to the side sipping down a pop while smoking a cigarette, or guys that on a firescene pull a hose off the truck then stand around the rest of the call and admire the pretty colors coming out of the roof. or the guys that since they dont listen during training pull up to a scene in a truck and leave the damn thing in nuetral so it can roll down a hill toward another apartment building. I have no respect for people that refuse to put forth the effort required by the fire service. that is why i say there is alot of juniors that are worth more than alot of the older guys. I did not say all i said alot.

    As far as that first and second post goes, what can i say, i shouldnt have said it, it was wrong, the part im most embarrased about is the loosing the bowels, but damnit i was ****ed when i made that post. and i did apologize and try to set things right, but people wanted to continue to insult me and degrade me so i said screw it im not going to try to clean up my image with these guys anymore. and now we are to this point in time here, where iv explained my side and you have all explained yours and it is obvious we will never aggree on anything. perhaps we can aggree to disaggree?

    O and deputy, i noticed you convieniently left out what was after the word stupid, so ill finish the sentance right here for all to see.

    Besides, dont be so stupid, they are called Junior FIREFIGHTERS. it is right in their name. that is something really close to what was said in that sentance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeremyCFPD View Post
    Bones i read your comments and my stomach hurts im laughing so hard, By your logic, a firefighter that dies at a residential house fire does not deserve to be on the same fallen firefighters memorial as the FDNY from the WTC are on? by that logic of yours, there will not be another name put on that memorial until theres (god forbid) another national tragedy in which a firefighter leaves us.

    You are a Joke bones, a very funny one at that.
    No clue how you came to that conclusion. A firefighter that dies at a residential fire is the same as a firefighter that died at the WTC and also the same as a firefighter that dies in California at a brush fire. They are all firefighters.

    A person, not yet trained as a firefighter, but helping on the fireground with air supplies, rehab, traffic, etc is not a firefighter and would not be considered the equal to the others.

    I have absolutely no idea where you came up with your interpretation of my post.

    And you don't make me laugh at all. Actually, you scare me.
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    I come to that conclusion due to the fact that in several of your posts your always commenting on how juniors do not deserve to have their names next to firefighters. to me, that is a statement that is worthy of sitting next to my statement about fellow firefighters losing their bowels.

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    I guess its just me, but I don't see the relation of bowels and jrs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacklrd View Post
    I guess its just me, but I don't see the relation of bowels and jrs.

    I do.. Diapers!


    Actually a troll is a big heavy ugly looking thing, i sir, am 5'2 and wiegh 140 lbs as well as shower daily.
    Now I see where Jeremy's coming from.. small man syndrome strikes again!

    They should call you "yardstick"....
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    One of my Drill sgts called me ShortRound all the time...its demoralizing.......im scarred for life.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeremyCFPD View Post
    I come to that conclusion due to the fact that in several of your posts your always commenting on how juniors do not deserve to have their names next to firefighters. to me, that is a statement that is worthy of sitting next to my statement about fellow firefighters losing their bowels.
    Quote Originally Posted by JeremyCFPD View Post
    By your logic, a firefighter that dies at a residential house fire does not deserve to be on the same fallen firefighters memorial as the FDNY from the WTC are on?
    Uh, yah, I see the same thing.


    they are called Junior FIREFIGHTERS
    Yes, see how they are not called FIREFIGHTERS. They are called something else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeremyCFPD View Post
    One of my Drill sgts called me ShortRound all the time...its demoralizing.......im scarred for life.....
    Puhleeze, dude. You were probably ELS'd while you were still a friggin Rainbow. Attitude like yours, there's no fuggin way you made it through BCT. I'm thinking your discharge reads: "Failure to adapt to military lifestyle." Probably didn't even give you the chance to recycle...I can see you bein labeled unfit as soon as your mangy carcass stepped off the bus.

    Being a fraudulent enlistee (and technically a federal felon, as well) isn't exactly a great "claim to fame", genius.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeremyCFPD View Post
    One of my Drill sgts called me ShortRound all the time...its demoralizing.......im scarred for life.....
    I see your "Career Disapation Light coming on". I do not think you will be here for very much longer the way you talk to your BETTERS.

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    I think that they need to go with a mandatory National Standard as a Firefighter. This will clear any of the "issues" that now exist by spelling it out in black and white. If you do not hold this certificate you are not considered a firefighter. If you do not hold this certificate and you die during firefighting activities your Fire Chief goes to jail. This would take any of the guess work out the the situation.

    And Yes, Chris Kangas death although tragic was not in the line of duty. Even considering it as such relegates firefighting on both the career and volunteer level.
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    Bones- I have a few comments for you. Not trying to stir anything new up, but you say that juniors and explorers arent members because they dont get to go into burning buildngs. Well i believe that any firefighter that enters a burning building must have their introductory. Which means any probationary fireman on our department isnt a "member". I doubt that! Just because they cant enter the structure, they dont have a key to get into the department, they dont have all the privlages that voted on firemen do, and they dont get to carry a badge. But despite all of these things, they still count as a true fireman. So explain to me, how would you take benefits away from probies???
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    Actually, hfdexplorer, you are correct. Until they are trained and certified (whether they are an Explorer/Junior/Probationary member) they aren't a firefighter. They are an Explorer/Junior/Probationary member.

    It's that simple.
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    hfdexplorer, your own post illustrates how they aren't "real" firefighters yet. They don't have all the training, rights, and privelages of firefighters. Their scope of practice, to borrow an EMS term here, is extremely limited.

    If I started EMT class last week, can I call myself a paramedic, because that's where I plan on ending up. No. Likewise, if I just started a basic firefighting class last week, how can I call myself a firefighter.

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