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    Talking Merc vs. Scab

    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp

    Since I am both career and volly I go back and forth between hating myself for being a mercenary one day and then hating myself for being a scab the next.

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    Dose this mean you have a MULTIPLE personality too?

    Ok, Sybil... which person are we talking to now?

    Your killing me Smalls... lol

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    Since this topic has been the subject of countless debates and even more break ups, I went straight to the top...Webster's. And I quote:
    fire-fighter n: a person who fights fires; a member of a fire department.
    I suggest that you take what you do against THAT definition. It will cause you less indigestion.
    I stopped fearing career firefighters YEARS ago!
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    Ok guys what is the deal with all the venom between paid and volly? I have never understood it in my 23 + years in the fire service. Here in Delaware there are like 2 paid deptments, City of Wilmington and the Air Force Base, so needless to say we don't get any exposure to paid guys here in Lower Delaware. To me it is very silly and childish to have all this back and forth bickering.

    If you only have a smart butt comment to make don't reply, but if you have a civil comment/explination please help me understand why there is so much venom.

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    This came to mind......
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    Default ARRRRRR...this is too easy..

    Quote Originally Posted by KEEPBACK200FEET
    But if your out at sea and under attack from another ship, does it matter if wiether or not the person is a pirate as long as they are trained how to effectively fire the cannon and fight like the rest of the crew on board?
    Nah...they would most likely be too busy arguing with each other about things like which cannon ball is better, Grape or Ball....which ship is better...Frigate or Galleon, Which Gun is more effective....12lbs Spanish or 16lbs English, who has a shinnier sword, a better eye patch, what wood makes the best peg leg, and who sails better.....Barbaries or Carribieans......

    Come to think of it.....you can have the pirates...I'll take the well trained, Professional Sailors who make thier very living as Sailors.


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    A quick google search yielded these results:

    fire·fight·er
    Function: noun
    Definition: a person who fights fires


    firefighter: somebody who attempts to control or extinguish fires, and to rescue people or animals from danger


    Definition 1. someone who fights fires, either for pay or as a volunteer.




    The various dictionaries have spoken.
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    Then why are there two seperate NFPA Standards?

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    Found this in an online reference

    Beating a dead horse
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    In American English, "beating a dead horse" is an idiom which is most often used as a retort used to make clear that a particular request or line of conversation is already foreclosed, mooted, or otherwise resolved. In Australian English and British English, the phrase is more usually rendered as "flogging a dead horse".

    The linguistic roots of this phrase draw on an allusion to literally "whipping" or "beating" a deceased horse in order to make it get up and go. Such efforts, of course, would be utterly fruitless, as dead horses no longer move under their own power.

    Likewise, when one is "beating a dead horse", one is flailing at a dead or useless idea.

    This term is different from "shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted" which refers to not taking action until after a problem has already occurred. Rather, "beating a dead horse" is about the futility of one's complaints or actions.

    When one "shuts the stable door after the horse has bolted" it does not return the bolted horse, but it does keep other horses from escaping the same way. However, when one is "beating a dead horse", no amount of action or argument is going to change the facts or the situation.
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    Now that is funny.....
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    Talking And.................

    Quote Originally Posted by VinnieB
    Then why are there two seperate NFPA Standards?

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    DOH!.....I don't mean to keep this train wreck going......oh the humanity

    And, Why does anyone who has even a lick of sense even remotely pay the tiniest bit of attention to the NFPA?
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    In Australian English and British English, the phrase is more usually rendered as "flogging a dead horse".

    I think the Austrailan word actually is FATUK...

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    Quote Originally Posted by VinnieB
    I play hockey....but that doesn't make me a hockey player..........
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    Quote Originally Posted by VinnieB
    I play hockey....but that doesn't make me a hockey player..........

    This one ought to fester.......
    You didn't state whether you weren't a professional one or even a good one. But if you play hockey....you ARE a hockey player. Put that in your pipe and smoke it
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    Quote Originally Posted by VinnieB
    Yes....it is hilarious.....



    Hey...On occations.....I dress up like a pirate, talk like a pirate, and act like a pirate....does that mean I am a pirate?
    Well..........again, yes, I truely believe that you are a pirate. At least on these strange videos that you are dressing up for.

    p.s. Sorry for these two posts. I guess that I'm am just in a playful mood right now. Or maybe I just need some more coffee..............BRB, going to get some coffee!!!
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    Just someone trying to help! (And by the way....Thanks for YOUR help!)

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    Well first paid or vol. it doesn't matter we are all in this profession for the same reasons and that is to help our fellow man. As to whether vollies are real Firefighters, of course we are. I mean we both go inside of a burning building, we both get up at all hrs. of the night for the BS calls. Just because we don't get paid doesn't mean anything.Some vollies maybe to old to join a paid dept. or maybe their to young that doesn't mean that we don't love doing this job. Here in my area most paid guys are vollies also. So for the most part we work quite well with them. It just aggriavtes me that there is a few people out there that think they are better than others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eng71ine
    Well first paid or vol. it doesn't matter we are all in this profession for the same reasons
    You are in it for the pay and schedule too?
    I am a complacent liability to the fire service

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    Someone should ban this troll that started this thread before he has the chance to start anything else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VinnieB
    I play hockey....but that doesn't make me a hockey player..........

    This one ought to fester.......
    Yes it does, just not paid. And you might even be a better hockey player than some that are paid. Has the ice asked whether you get a paycheck or not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by VinnieB
    I play hockey....but that doesn't make me a hockey player..........

    This one ought to fester.......


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    Default Like Rodney King said....

    "Can't we all just get along...???"

    Yes...pros, you are "good" and I admire you for that. In the city you do get more workers than a vollie. 15 floors up a sh*t hole tenament buidling?
    Crack house fires.
    Endless amounts of OD's and chest pains.

    But, let me ask you this....

    you ever draft out of a portable pond? Using tankers and/or 1000 feet of supply line?

    ...have to cut through the 2 foot ice on a fire pond or river?

    Fight a barn fire while dodging cows that are trying to get back into it?

    Traveled a back dirt road searching for the 17 year old kid that just wrapped his fathers truck around a tree with his best friend trapped inside?

    Extricate a farmer from his rolled over tractor or his silo?

    Fight a fire in your neighbors house or your church?

    Perform CPR on your old high school teacher or the town mechanic to no avail?

    So, before you "pros" discount the training, experience and knowledge of a "vollie", spend a few days with them. And I don't mean the vollie houses in PG County or on Long Island, I mean the "REAL" vollies places, in parts of the mid-west, south or New England, you'd be really surprised at the dedication and training that many of these guys and gals undertake.

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    Volunteers are real firefighters. The paid service in this country started out as an all-volunteer service. Think some of you guys have forgotten your roots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davjohnson
    Volunteers are real firefighters. The paid service in this country started out as an all-volunteer service. Think some of you guys have forgotten your roots.

    Ben is turning over in his grave!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Resq1scnd2none
    "Can't we all just get along...???"

    Yes...pros, you are "good" and I admire you for that. In the city you do get more workers than a vollie. 15 floors up a sh*t hole tenament buidling?
    Crack house fires.
    Endless amounts of OD's and chest pains.

    But, let me ask you this....

    you ever draft out of a portable pond? Using tankers and/or 1000 feet of supply line?
    Yes.. drafting out of portable tanks and other water sources on mutual aid runs. As far as laying a 1000 foot supply line.. yes on that, too. You forgot relay pumping.. been there, done that!

    ...have to cut through the 2 foot ice on a fire pond or river?
    Yes... we have 1% of our community that does not have hydrants.. it's a private road that is dirt.

    Fight a barn fire while dodging cows that are trying to get back into it?
    Yes.. not cows, but horses.

    Traveled a back dirt road searching for the 17 year old kid that just wrapped his fathers truck around a tree with his best friend trapped inside?
    Yes.. on the privately owned dirt road mentioned earlier.

    Extricate a farmer from his rolled over tractor or his silo?
    Yes.. we have a few "gentleman farmers" who have rolled their tractors.

    Fight a fire in your neighbors house or your church?
    Yes.. too many times.

    Perform CPR on your old high school teacher or the town mechanic to no avail?
    Yes... too many times to mention.. not on my old high school teachers or town mechanics, but close family friends, infants, and the residents of our fair City. A few of our firefghters have done CPR on their brother firefighters, too.

    So, before you "pros" discount the training, experience and knowledge of a "vollie", spend a few days with them. And I don't mean the vollie houses in PG County or on Long Island, I mean the "REAL" vollies places, in parts of the mid-west, south or New England, you'd be really surprised at the dedication and training that many of these guys and gals undertake.
    That statement goes both ways, Bro.... if you can convince those volunteers who believe that being a career firefighter is evil, that career firefighters aren't whores because they get paid to "do it", that we never face the same problems as rural FD's do, that they don't need to learn how to use hydrants or what is considered " big city tactics and strategies", and most of all... to stop posting this kind of garbage on the forums, we will all be better off.
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    Man; this isn't even the question anymore. The question is:
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