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    Well first paid or vol. it doesn't matter we are all in this profession for the same reasons and that is to help our fellow man. As to whether vollies are real Firefighters, of course we are. I mean we both go inside of a burning building, we both get up at all hrs. of the night for the BS calls. Just because we don't get paid doesn't mean anything.Some vollies maybe to old to join a paid dept. or maybe their to young that doesn't mean that we don't love doing this job. Here in my area most paid guys are vollies also. So for the most part we work quite well with them. It just aggriavtes me that there is a few people out there that think they are better than others.


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    Quote Originally Posted by eng71ine
    Well first paid or vol. it doesn't matter we are all in this profession for the same reasons
    You are in it for the pay and schedule too?
    I am a complacent liability to the fire service

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    Someone should ban this troll that started this thread before he has the chance to start anything else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VinnieB
    I play hockey....but that doesn't make me a hockey player..........

    This one ought to fester.......
    Yes it does, just not paid. And you might even be a better hockey player than some that are paid. Has the ice asked whether you get a paycheck or not?
    "This thread is being closed as it is off-topic and not related to the fire industry." - Isn't that what the Off Duty forum was for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VinnieB
    I play hockey....but that doesn't make me a hockey player..........

    This one ought to fester.......


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    Default Like Rodney King said....

    "Can't we all just get along...???"

    Yes...pros, you are "good" and I admire you for that. In the city you do get more workers than a vollie. 15 floors up a sh*t hole tenament buidling?
    Crack house fires.
    Endless amounts of OD's and chest pains.

    But, let me ask you this....

    you ever draft out of a portable pond? Using tankers and/or 1000 feet of supply line?

    ...have to cut through the 2 foot ice on a fire pond or river?

    Fight a barn fire while dodging cows that are trying to get back into it?

    Traveled a back dirt road searching for the 17 year old kid that just wrapped his fathers truck around a tree with his best friend trapped inside?

    Extricate a farmer from his rolled over tractor or his silo?

    Fight a fire in your neighbors house or your church?

    Perform CPR on your old high school teacher or the town mechanic to no avail?

    So, before you "pros" discount the training, experience and knowledge of a "vollie", spend a few days with them. And I don't mean the vollie houses in PG County or on Long Island, I mean the "REAL" vollies places, in parts of the mid-west, south or New England, you'd be really surprised at the dedication and training that many of these guys and gals undertake.

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    Volunteers are real firefighters. The paid service in this country started out as an all-volunteer service. Think some of you guys have forgotten your roots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davjohnson
    Volunteers are real firefighters. The paid service in this country started out as an all-volunteer service. Think some of you guys have forgotten your roots.

    Ben is turning over in his grave!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Resq1scnd2none
    "Can't we all just get along...???"

    Yes...pros, you are "good" and I admire you for that. In the city you do get more workers than a vollie. 15 floors up a sh*t hole tenament buidling?
    Crack house fires.
    Endless amounts of OD's and chest pains.

    But, let me ask you this....

    you ever draft out of a portable pond? Using tankers and/or 1000 feet of supply line?
    Yes.. drafting out of portable tanks and other water sources on mutual aid runs. As far as laying a 1000 foot supply line.. yes on that, too. You forgot relay pumping.. been there, done that!

    ...have to cut through the 2 foot ice on a fire pond or river?
    Yes... we have 1% of our community that does not have hydrants.. it's a private road that is dirt.

    Fight a barn fire while dodging cows that are trying to get back into it?
    Yes.. not cows, but horses.

    Traveled a back dirt road searching for the 17 year old kid that just wrapped his fathers truck around a tree with his best friend trapped inside?
    Yes.. on the privately owned dirt road mentioned earlier.

    Extricate a farmer from his rolled over tractor or his silo?
    Yes.. we have a few "gentleman farmers" who have rolled their tractors.

    Fight a fire in your neighbors house or your church?
    Yes.. too many times.

    Perform CPR on your old high school teacher or the town mechanic to no avail?
    Yes... too many times to mention.. not on my old high school teachers or town mechanics, but close family friends, infants, and the residents of our fair City. A few of our firefghters have done CPR on their brother firefighters, too.

    So, before you "pros" discount the training, experience and knowledge of a "vollie", spend a few days with them. And I don't mean the vollie houses in PG County or on Long Island, I mean the "REAL" vollies places, in parts of the mid-west, south or New England, you'd be really surprised at the dedication and training that many of these guys and gals undertake.
    That statement goes both ways, Bro.... if you can convince those volunteers who believe that being a career firefighter is evil, that career firefighters aren't whores because they get paid to "do it", that we never face the same problems as rural FD's do, that they don't need to learn how to use hydrants or what is considered " big city tactics and strategies", and most of all... to stop posting this kind of garbage on the forums, we will all be better off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bones42
    Has the ice asked whether you get a paycheck or not?

    No....but if I did play with the pros....I would surley be crushed.....
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    .... keep stirrring and stirrring .......

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator
    .... keep stirrring and stirrring .......

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    I have to agree with CaptainGonzo about convincing volunteers that career firefighters are not evil. I've been a volly for 18 years, and could never understand the point of discrediting a professional firefighter for his or her choice of a career. ONE of the reasons that I volunteer for fire and EMS is the change of pace it gives me from my regular job. It's for this very reason that I applaud the career guys that are also volly's; I highly doubt that I (or most people) would volunteer to do the same job that I get paid to do. Just my thoughts.

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    I wasn't trying to slam any pros in my post. It just seemed like there were a few postings from pro's in here that sounded a little derogatory towards vollies, and their lack of training, exp., etc...
    It is a two street with every public servant. NYPD and "Hooterville Police" are the same but very different in many ways...same as AMR Ambulance and "Hooterville Rescue"...

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    The "not a real firefighter" thing used to bother me when I was a volunteer, however I found it came almost exclusively from rather poorly informed members of the general public. There is little you can do to change peoples preconceived notions.
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    culkinvfd,

    You joined the forums on 2-25-06 so I'm going to chalk this thread up to a lack of experience on this forum. The topic you posted has been discussed numerous times before and each time it rears it's ugly head. We do this better than you....Oh no you don't we do this better....blah blah blah.

    Next time you encounter this situation, stand up to the guy. If you can't get training through your department, do whatever you can to get it elsewhere or quit that department. Actions speak louder than words and you shouldn't need some guy in a neighboring department to give you an "atta boy." Pride comes from within.

    If you choose to ignore this advice that's fine.

    RANT OFF

    GOOD LUCK

    eng71ine I owe YOU an apology....I posted your name to this instead of who actually started the thread.....SORRY

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    Hey...On occations.....I dress up like a pirate, talk like a pirate, and act like a pirate....does that mean I am a pirate?
    Vinnie, you have some serious issues. May I recommend a stint at the CSU??
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    Or Vinnie can come down here and dress as the mascot for my school-Peedee the Pirate.
    Just know, I chose my own fate. I drove by the fork in the road and went straight.

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    As it's been said...we are all doing the same duties and tasks. The paid guys are needed at their station 24/7because they run so many calls, where as vollies are needed at their station when there is a call but, are on duty 24/7.

    You have to remember that some Vol. Companies DO get paid by the call!

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