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    Quote Originally Posted by FirstDueCTVol
    Many who are vollies simply could not take the paycut. We have guys on our dept who are physicians and business executives.

    And I like being part of what makes firefighting great - volunteers. Anyone can pick up a check.
    For 99% of the career firefighters, it's the love of the job... not the love of the money. The work schedule allows us to work the second job. We didn't join the fire service to "get filthy stinkin' rich"... those who have that notion must have snowed the pshrink in the psych exam! Yeah, we have the 1% who don't give a fat rats rump and look at it as "just a job".

    For those volunteers who scorn the career firefighter for working a second job and taking time away from their families, are you not upholding a double standard? You work your "regular" job, then go to the "firehouse"... taking just as much time aweay from your families.

    The vast majority of volunteer jakes there are very dedicated and professional, there are those who join the local VFD for nothing more than the social aspect and to build up their resumes.

    While "anyone" can pick up a paycheck, "anyone" cannot pick up a paycheck for being a firefighter!
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    Good point, too.

    Like I have said before, 2% of the paid guys spout off all the time and are terrified of volunteers - it has nothing to do with vollies. That 2% are hacks and would never get a job doing anything else. The other 98% are professionals and do a great job.

    Unfortunately, that small group make the rest of the paid guys look bad- and cause the rub between paid and volly. Union hacks like that exist in every industry - and bring everyone down.

    Enough of this bickering, can we just put the fires out??

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    Quote Originally Posted by FirstDueCTVol
    Good point, too.

    Like I have said before, 2% of the paid guys spout off all the time and are terrified of volunteers - it has nothing to do with vollies. That 2% are hacks and would never get a job doing anything else. The other 98% are professionals and do a great job.

    Unfortunately, that small group make the rest of the paid guys look bad- and cause the rub between paid and volly. Union hacks like that exist in every industry - and bring everyone down.

    Enough of this bickering, can we just put the fires out??
    You also have your own version of the 2%.. the ones that condone drinking in the firehouse, show up for "fun events" and not training, that play the games of "if there's no smoke showin, I ain't goin".

    Many of the things that all firefighters benefit from were initiated by or heavily supported by the IAFF.

    PS: If one forms one's opinion from 2% of the body on either side.. one is wrong!
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    Noz,

    I haven't always agreed with you on various topics. However, I have to give you credit on this one, Bro! Well said!

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    Default I would like to know...

    Which of you "paid guys", you know the 2% of you that are TERRIFIED of volunteers? Ct volley you need to get over yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MIKEYLIKESIT
    Which of you "paid guys", you know the 2% of you that are TERRIFIED of volunteers? Ct volley you need to get over yourself.
    Heck....I have been cowering under my covers in the prostrate position ever since we were "outed".........

    And Noz'......surprised to say......I agree with ya'........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bones42
    Noz, just curious, how many career guys stop doing their career after 20 or 25 years? How many vols are still volunteering after 20 or 25 years?
    Brother Bones.....I know alot of guys that did 30 years.....and we just had a brother from Brooklyn retire after 42 years. Most of the retired men I know are still vollies. They might not be as active as most of the jonnies.....but...they come out when it counts and when they can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bones42
    Noz, just curious, how many career guys stop doing their career after 20 or 25 years? How many vols are still volunteering after 20 or 25 years?
    Not many here considering you need 29 and a day to get a full pension. As for volunteering for longer, it's a hell of alot easier to volunteer when you are old when you havent spent the last 20 years doing 20 runs a day. There is a hell of a difference between a couple of hundred runs a year that you have an option of going to or not, and a couple of thousand runs a year.
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    I know, but if I can egg on a stupid discussion a little bit more, I'll chime in once in a while.

    By the way, I fear some fires, but no firefighters.
    "This thread is being closed as it is off-topic and not related to the fire industry." - Isn't that what the Off Duty forum was for?

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    ...........
    Fortune does not change men; it unmasks them.

    The grass ain't greener, the wine ain't sweeter!! Either side of the hill.


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    LEXFD...i think you better make it 115!! lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bones42
    I know, but if I can egg on a stupid discussion a little bit more, I'll chime in once in a while.
    Say it ain't SO!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MIKEYLIKESIT
    Which of you "paid guys", you know the 2% of you that are TERRIFIED of volunteers? Ct volley you need to get over yourself.

    Not me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoughRider
    RoughRider, We can't stop now he is still thinking we got to beat until we see his spirit saying it up above him.
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    Im TERRIFIED of the guy with the stick and the horse......well said Noz
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    Damn....should have put money on over 100 posts
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    I think I understand the venom now. It seems there are some vollies that are jelious of the paid guys, doing what they wish they could be doing everyday. And they make some dumb *** comments and then the paid guys get all upset and then it goes to hell in a handbascket real fast. And that make the vollies look like dumbasses and all all vollies have to be the same. But in reality we are not!!!

    I would have loved to have been a paid guy but I also love the area I live in so I chose to live here and volly. There is no way in hell my dept. can be compared to a paid dept. you guys just run too many alarms and have too much experience to even compare. But we do one hell of a job and get the job done.

    It would be nice if some of the paid guys would understand that most of the vollies are not some yahooo hack and that we also do the job very well and have alot of pride in what we do. It is sad that there has to be all this venom between the two. Because when it come right down to it, we ALL put our life on the line to help someone else.

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    Sigh....pretty much pros rule, vols drool.

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    Sigh....pretty much pros rule, vols drool.
    hmmm, my split personalities of career FF and volly FF have viewpoints of this statement.

    My volly side thinks you are a pompous ***.

    My career side thinks you are a pompous ***.

    Oh hey look a volly and a paid guy agreeing on something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp
    ThNozzleman

    Oh hey look a volly and a paid guy agreeing on something.

    FyredUp

    Well, here's 2 more agreeing with you FyredUp....good choice of words...

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    Here's one more towards the goal of 100.

    Other than that there is nothing to be said about this silly topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FirstDueCTVol
    Well, here in CT many cities and towns require the same training for a paid guy or a volunteer.
    Really? A 16 - 24 week academy to volunteer?
    I am a complacent liability to the fire service

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChicagoFF
    Really? A 16 - 24 week academy to volunteer?
    This is #99
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChicagoFF
    Really? A 16 - 24 week academy to volunteer?
    Do I get a prize for #100?
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