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    This is insane .... I'm so glad I don't drive!

    Went from 110.9 Monday night to 114.9 yesterday morning, then on the way home I saw 115.9 and heard of a possible 116.9 this morning on the radio
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    All I have to say is ........ GRRRRRRRRRRRR Now I have to adjust my moving budget to reflect the gas prices *sigh*
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    $2.94/gal this morning. I'd guessed $3 by the end of April, looks like it'll be $3 by the end of the WEEK. Gone up about 20 cents in a week. Should be a fun summer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TCFire
    $2.94/gal this morning. I'd guessed $3 by the end of April, looks like it'll be $3 by the end of the WEEK. Gone up about 20 cents in a week. Should be a fun summer.
    Yup, up about 20 cents here in about (not aboot!) the past 2 weeks, I believe is the time-line. Monthly transit pass went up from $60 to $65 April 1st
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    Kinda makes you wonder where all the folks saying we went to war in Iraq over oil are.I've long said that if we were there over dino-juice,we'd be getting gasoline allowances instead of paying for it and the Iraqis would be watching the sand dunes collapse as we sucked that country dry.Instead,we are trying to build new schools,oil pipelines and defending them while letting them build their own brand of democracy.If it works out,it won't be because the insurgents had anything to do with it.

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    Folks. We live in a capitalist society. The price of gas is governed by the 'free' market.

    Oil companies exist for one purpose. To fatten the bottom line. Their delicate dance involves trying to hike profitability in the short term without bankrupting the customer in the long term.

    Anyone who thinks oil companies owe America cheap gas (or at least inexpensive gas) is....well...naive.

    The primary mission is to keep the stock price in an arena that pleases current share holders and attracts new ones.
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    If you want to know who to blame the high price of gas on, you only have to look in the mirror. That's right-you!

    We would keep buying the stuff if it were $10 gallon and you all know it. so do the oil companies.

    I do not want Congress to do anything. Sticking their noses into an unregualted private industry is not their job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI
    If you want to know who to blame the high price of gas on, you only have to look in the mirror. That's right-you!

    We would keep buying the stuff if it were $10 gallon and you all know it. so do the oil companies.

    I do not want Congress to do anything. Sticking their noses into an unregualted private industry is not their job.
    I hate to admit this. But I agree with Norm on this one.

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    I've been seeing more and more about using vegetable oil (or something to that fact) lately. Form what I understand it is hard on the engine, but you can go to the local fast food restaurant and get there used fryer oil to make your own gas.
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    Question: how many new refineries have been built in the US in the last 25 to 30 years?

    Zilch. Zip. Zero. Nada. None.

    Like it or not, our economy runs on oil. We need to use our resources effectively, search for it and then build the capacity to refine it... or risk becoming a third world nation.
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    I'm still looking for one of those DeLorean cars that you just put bananna peels, a little stale beer and some garbage into and it flies. I figure that we have enough wind, sun, geo-thermal and other alternative resources to power a lot of our industry off of but they won't develop or put it on the market until they can get their money back and that probably won't happen unless oil goes out of sight in price. I think I should buy farmland to grow corn and soybeans on or get a horse or bycycle; Naw like most I like my four wheels.

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    Kinda makes you wonder where all the folks saying we went to war in Iraq over oil are.I've long said that if we were there over dino-juice,we'd be getting gasoline allowances instead of paying for it and the Iraqis would be watching the sand dunes collapse as we sucked that country dry.Instead,we are trying to build new schools,oil pipelines and defending them while letting them build their own brand of democracy.If it works out,it won't be because the insurgents had anything to do with it.
    They went to control it, not sell it dirt-cheap. Interesting how you threw in "oil pipelines" with "building new schools" though. I don't remember either being presented as a reason to invade Iraq.
    Like it or not, our economy runs on oil. We need to use our resources effectively, search for it and then build the capacity to refine it... or risk becoming a third world nation.
    Part of the problem. Plenty of oil available to us, but very expensive to extract. The oil in Iraq is much, much cheaper to access and process.
    The only ones we can blame, are ourselves for the high price of oil.
    Not exactly. The lack of real alternatives and competition are the problems. If the dairy farmers decided to play this game with milk, we'd just drink more juice or water, perhaps. Blaming ourselves for something we can't control is silly...and it wouldn't matter what we drove. It's all about the money, of course. They don't want any viable alternatives to be available, so long as they have that precious black stuff to sell. I think they are just making a killing while they can, regardless of who suffers.
    I for one am glad I only live a half-block from the station...but it's really hard to wind out the ol' GT in such a short distance. I guess I'll go buy a used Toyota to teach those oil guys a lesson.

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    I'm still looking for one of those DeLorean cars that you just put bananna peels, a little stale beer and some garbage into and it flies.
    What is this "stale beer" you speak of??

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    What is this "stale beer" you speak of??

    Just about every domestic "brew" you could name!


    Minus certain exceptions, of course.

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    http://www.gasbuddy.com/


    This is a good website to show where the cheapest gas may be in your town or if you would like to check out prices through out the country or even in Canada
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    Its not a personal choice for most Americans, we have to continue to pay the high price in order for us to get by on a day to day basis. Comparing our prices to say Europes is like comparing apples and oranges. America is a young society that was founded on each and every person having his or her own land, hence westward expansionism. Because of this our society has always expanded outward moving further and further from town centers as technology advanced which happened to coinced with our countrys own physical growth. The US has all ways been a major consumer of oil products not just gas. That being said you don't see other products that use petroleum going up 10, 15, or 20 cents a day do you? I don't. Europes gas prices are the direct result of an old society that has concentrated population centers with very little if any urban sprawl, and excellent public transportation. Cars arent needed in Europe as much as there needed here. That means that gas in Europe is basiclly a luxory item.

    The oil companies and the government both know that the US is an oil dependent country and there is no viable alternative insight for the next 25 to 50 years. Oil is CRACK and we are the junkies the dealers know we will come back so they keep jacking up the price. What are we going to do? Walk to work. I don't know about anybody else but I live 24 miles from my station. Walking is not an option and there's no buses or trains nearby.

    Government intervention isn't necessary. Economic collapse will cause prices to fall. When the gas prices reach their peak were the majority of Americans have to choose between buying things they believe they need and putting gas in their cars to go get it, prices will fall. They won't fall far but they will fall and stabilize for a while.

    On oil reserves the whole we are running out of oil and its all going to be gone soon mentality is BS. Yes we are bleeding the reserves were using dry. There are reserves that havent been touched off the coast of Miami, Alaska, and its suspected that Siberia has the largest reserve in the world. So large that it makes the Middle East look like a swimming pool. The oil companies are just holding off in order to continue there money making business.

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    They went to control it, not sell it dirt-cheap.
    Hey Noz, for about the fiftieth time...where is your proof? Or are you just still spouting liberal talking points? No wait. Even the liberals have stopped using this one.

    Where's the proof, Noz?

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    There's one very significant impact that you guys are missing, and that's the effect higher fuel prices have on local governments' ability to deliver, or for that matter, even simply maintain services at their current levels.

    First, there's the obvious. The increased prices mean increased cost to deliver fire protection, police services, EMS, trash collection, and just about everything else under the sun. Unless you're operating with a very nice surplus, something's got to be cut.

    The second far less obvious but much more damaging impact in a reduction in operating revenue to go along with the increase in fuel costs. This revenue reduction occurs in two fashions.

    First, fuel is taxed by the gallon. Every jurisdiction from the Feds down to your local town gets the same revenue per gallon whether that gallon costs 50 cents or 50 dollars. Prices that are elevated so high as to actually curtail some driving, that revenue goes down. Around here, fuel taxes are used for road repair and improvement so that means less money to pave and patch.

    Second, the greatly increased fuel costs are causing people to spend cash that would have otherwise been used to purchase items who's sale would have funded general operating expenses. Here's a real world example. In 2004, 10 gallons of fuel cost around $18. Today, that same 10 gallons costs $30. In both situations, my town got 70 cents in tax revenue for the 10 gallons but in 2004 the buyer had $12 in his pocket to spend elsewhere. That $12 equates to 48 cents in potential sales tax revenue that just disappeared into the tank. The disappearing revenue means disappearing services, disappearing raises, and possibly disappearing employees.

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    Due to some mechanical faults, my truck has been pretty much parked for the past three weeks. Finally was forced to take it out last night for EMT class.

    SHOCK AND HORRORS! Gas went from 2.75 (average) to 2.99 (average) - again. Back to 40.00 plus for 16 gal. Gonna get so that it's too expensive to run the lawn mower even! Siiiiigggggghhhhhh oh well. The price of "freedom" I suppose. {That's Travel freedom, I refer to}
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    Gas Shortages Hit Southeast Virginia. Two Switches In Fuel Leads To Shortages

    POSTED: 8:31 am EDT April 21, 2006

    VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. -- Gas shortages are hitting Hampton Roads hard -- and experts say they could spread across the commonwealth.

    In Norfolk and Virginia Beach on Thursday, some gas stations only had premium gas to sell.

    Others had "No Gas" signs posted.

    John Malbon, president and chief executive officer of Virginia Beach-based Papco, which distributes gas to hundreds of stations in Hampton Roads, told The Richmond Times-Dispatch that spot shortages are the result of two simultaneous switches in the blend of gasoline sold to motorists.

    He said for one, summertime switches to cleaner-burning gas always cause retailers' tanks to get low for a time. And the industry is switching gas additives this spring, also adding to shortages.

    Meanwhile, gas in the Hampton Roads area hovered at $2.93 and up Thursday.

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    The news is reporting that people are going to pawn shops, pawning off thier belongings to get gas money!!!!!!

    Apr 21, 2006 8:22 am US/Eastern

    Pain Of Gas Prices Hitting Home
    In Texas, Pawn Shops Find Fuel Crunch A Business Boon
    CBS News: Gas Prices State-By-State

    (CBS) DALLAS High gasoline prices are causing some Texas residents to take desperate measures. Pawn shops say their business is increasing, with some customers saying they're selling things to buy gas.

    Pumps ran dry at scattered gas stations as fuel terminals and stations struggled to adapt to ethanol in fuel mixes, causing some customers to hark back to widespread gasoline shortages of the past.

    Catherine Rossi, a spokeswoman for AAA Mid-Atlantic, said she knew of eight stations in the Philadelphia region that were out of fuel on Thursday.

    "There is truly a dearth of supply in the Philly and New York markets today," said Wayne Hummel of Liberty Petroleum L.L.C.

    Gas prices are climbing again, with most stations prices hovering at, or just below $3.00 a gallon, reports KTVT-TV.

    "We just have customers come in and have to tell us that they need money until the end of the week, for gas to get back and forth to work," said Dallas pawn shop owner, Gerald Costner.

    Pawn shop owners say they are seeing it all come in: Everything from high end jewelry, to name brand purses, and televisions. They say customers are frustrated and have no place to go to get extra cash for gas.

    "Some of the construction people tell us they are having to pawn their tools to buy gas, but when they pawn their tools they can't go out and work in the construction business because their tools are in pawn. So it kind of a 'catch-22,'" Costner said.

    Mary Rodriguez has worked at the Casa View Pawn Shop for five years. She says she's seen people of all ages coming in looking for help.

    "We've always had a clientele of the young kids, or middle age kids, and now we're getting an older generation," said Rodriguez . "It just seems wrong that they have to pawn things just to get gas, to make ends meet on things like that."

    As prices continue to rise at the pumps, many motorists say they don't see things getting better anytime soon, for the consumer.

    "It is frustrating, but the thing is they know they can get away with it, because people need gas," Rodriguez said.

    At Casa View Pawn, the owner says they have seen the increase in numbers during the past couple months.

    Catherine Rossi, a spokeswoman for AAA Mid-Atlantic, said she knew of eight stations in the Philadelphia region that were out of fuel on Thursday.

    "There is truly a dearth of supply in the Philly and New York markets today," said Wayne Hummel of Liberty Petroleum L.L.C.

    Four of the 40 stations Liberty supplies in the Philadelphia region ran out of fuel in the last two days as its tanker trucks made futile trips from terminal to terminal, Hummel said.

    Jai Kulkarni, owner of a Kwik Farms convenience store and a Lukoil station, said he was out of gas for about four hours on Wednesday, losing about $200 an hour in sales.

    At the station Thursday, Vinnie Zambuto, 31, of Coatesville, said he never saw a gas station run dry before he encountered one last week.

    But Zambuto said he had heard tales from his parents of gas shortages of the 1970s, and hoped the current supply stumbles would be short-lived.

    In Norfolk, Virginia and Virginia Beach yesterday, some gas stations only had premium gas to sell. Others had "no gas" signs posted. Steve Leisten, a manager with petroleum supplier PAPCO, told CBS News it could be several weeks before inventory levels are back to normal.

    Refiners are switching to fuel formulations containing corn-based ethanol, prompted by the federal Energy Policy Act of 2005, and ethanol's affinity for water requires extensive work both at fuel terminals and the service stations themselves.

    Retailers must clean their tanks, remove all water and install extremely fine filters on their pumps. Terminals have to clean tanks to store the ethanol and install equipment to blend it with the gasoline.

    Independent gasoline distributors said few terminals had gasoline on Thursday. A Pacific Energy Partners L.P. terminal that did was filling trucks in only two of its five lanes, with waiting times of four hours. "We are doing our best to activate the others," said Jennifer Shigei, a company spokeswoman.

    Refiners declined to go into detail about the supply situation, but Shannon Breuer, a spokeswoman for Sunoco Inc., said the company was "focused on being a reliable supplier" and was confident any problems would be short-term.

    AAA warned that supply disruptions could continue for the next few weeks, however, as terminals and stations deal with the new blends, and that could drive soaring pump prices still higher.

    The shortages come on a day when there is also a new record for oil prices.
    On Friday, oil prices briefly jumped to $73 a barrel for the first time.
    At pumps around the nation, a gallon of gas is up 30 cents over the last
    month, CBS News reports.

    The average gasoline price has already jumped 22 percent to $2.85 a gallon in the Philadelphia area since the latest upturn early in March, and 18 percent to $2.71 in southern New Jersey in the past month, AAA said.

    ( MMVI, CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved.)
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    These are two blatant examples of irresponsible media conduct. There simply is, by everyone's account, no gas shortage. This would have happened if gas was .50 a gallon. It is interesting to note that it is these idiot liberals who caused us to have to have 25 different blends of gasoline in the first place. They are also the ones who cause our reliance on foreign oil by blocking attempts at getting our own. They are also the ones who keep blocking construction of new refineries so that more gasoline can be refined more cost efficiently.

    Oh wait. I'm wrong. It's all President Bush's fault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI
    These are two blatant examples of irresponsible media conduct. There simply is, by everyone's account, no gas shortage. This would have happened if gas was .50 a gallon. It is interesting to note that it is these idiot liberals who caused us to have to have 25 different blends of gasoline in the first place. They are also the ones who cause our reliance on foreign oil by blocking attempts at getting our own. They are also the ones who keep blocking construction of new refineries so that more gasoline can be refined more cost efficiently.

    Oh wait. I'm wrong. It's all President Bush's fault.
    Amen George! People would puke if they knew how many American drilling rigs have to shut down on a regular basis so they don't pump "too much" oil; or how many huge oil fields are not allowed to be drilled on to keep certain people happy. They can't drill on dry land so they have to drill offshore, and that aint a cheap hobby.

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    Amen George! People would puke if they knew how many American drilling rigs have to shut down on a regular basis so they don't pump "too much" oil
    The same thing happens in Northern Alberta too. I have friends who work in the fields there, and I hear similar stories from them, too.
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