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    This answer is the same as for the definition of Truck, Squad, Rescue, Medic, Wagon, Engine, Pumper, Buggy, etc.

    It all depends on whose territory your in.
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    Here its a fire large enough to require outside agencies like PD, power, gas, Red Cross etc. These outside agencies are notified by dispatch as soon as "working fire" is declared. Most departments also tag extra units like an extra engine company, an ambulance, safety officer and inspector.

    So basicly its a term used to activate additional resources, not a discription of the actual fire. Makes things a lot easier for the IC then haveing to ask for each individual resource.
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    I have come to know a "working fire" as any fire in a structure involving one or more compartments and the size of the fire is to large to be suppresed by a fire extinguisher.

    Also, for those of you who may confuse a structure fire with a compartment fire, here you go.

    Compartment fire- A fire in a building involving one or more compartments and does NOT involve the structural members of the building.

    Structure Fire- A fire in a building that has involved the structural members.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fireman4949
    I would define a working fire as one which all responding companies will be needed on scene. However, "working fire" is a term we rarely use. Occasionally, the first arriving officer will use this term, but as a rule, we will give a size up consisting of one of the following:

    Nothing showing.
    Light smoke showing.
    Heavy smoke showing.
    Fire showing.
    Heavy fire showing.
    Fully involved.

    Normally, given a good size-up report from the first arrivivg company, all other responding companies will have a pretty good idea what to expect upon arrival.




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    Isn't it funny....it is also a well worn term on this side of the pond without any official meaning but one that conjures up an image of a job where the crews are actively engaged Firefighting,

    I'd say it sits comfortably between "A pile of sh1t" and a "Good Job" two other regulary used terms that do not find use in official journals.

    For a structire fire I guess at the minimum at least one hoseline needs to be in operation and the crew engaged in firefighting prompting...
    "What did you have?"
    "Oh, a working fire...couple of rooms in a house"

    Wheras...
    "What did you have?"
    "Oh, a real good working job, fire on both floors of a large house and into the attic, made it up to 6 pumps and got an aerial in..."

    But looking beyond a structure fire, the term can apply equally to 50 tons of stinking burning garbage, a good sized brush fire or a pile of tyres in the dead end back streets of a ghetto. It's a nice 'warm' phrase that rolls easily off the tongue when you are sitting back at the Station sipping a coffee and breaking balls with the oncoming shift. And obviously a phrase that means around an about the same thing...without being confined to set boundaries of activity across the World of Firefighting.

    Here's wishing you all a (safe and enjoyable) 'Working fire' on your next shift!!!!
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    Here's wishing you all a (safe and enjoyable) 'Working fire' on your next shift!!!!
    SteveDude, you can't wish that, all the wackers will crawl out of the sewer and think that we are all evil because we like doing our job, and then we will be called arsonist, and not caring, and then, oh my, I shudder to think what will happen....
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIGNAL99COM
    What is the true definition of a "working fire"?
    it's what the deciding factor is between a signal 98 and a signal 99
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrParasite
    it's what the deciding factor is between a signal 98 and a signal 99
    I hate them signal codes..here it would be the deciding factor between a signal 98 and a signal 25S.

    Pretty much any fire that we roll up on that has flames showing and 1 or more compartments involved is considered a working fire. That doesn't make it the true definition but thats how my department looks at it.

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    someone blinked and missed the sarcasm..............
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    Didn't miss it ... Just ignoring it.

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    We dont use the term. First arriving company gives report containing actual address, size, dimentions, occupancy, construction, exposures, any visible fire conditions from light, medium or heavy smoke to visible fire and orders for incomming companies.

    Thus, a typical report would sound as such:

    Engine XX on location (actual address) we have a 3 story middle of the row brick dwelling 18 x 65 bravo and delta same size and dimentions both also appear to be occupied we have medium smoke from the third floor, first engine and ladder in service.
    Just another one of the 99%ers looking up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickey
    For us a "working fire" is any fire that is in the free burning stage, usually given only durning size up. Basically if you see flames, it's "working" .....
    That's how it's done here.
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    How about this one we went to the other night....

    Does it count?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fieldseng2
    How about this one we went to the other night....

    Does it count?
    Nah.
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    fieldseng2,
    No, that don't count. We call that an "overtime" fire....
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    Wink

    4 story condo complex under construction. 1 block x 1 block. As you can see fully involved upon arrival. Went to 4 Alarms. 8 aerials in operation and just as many lines on the ground. We finished just in time to take up and go home before our tour was over...No OT SPFD!!!

    Lots of exposure problems. 2 houses on Side C started to catch, and a Jack In The Box on Side D.

    Pic shows what we saw as we were coming in on the 1st Alarm...we were 3rd due.
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    would the picture in the 1000 words post qualify

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