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    Default Car fire troubles....

    OK, I TRIED the search, but I am not good at it, so;

    We just had a car fire, at I tried to get the hood open, and it just wouldnt open.
    Fire was in the engine compartment, and extended into the passenger compartment by the time we were on scene. The hood was burned and the hood release was gone in the passenger compartment.

    Tips/Tricks guys?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BLSboy
    OK, I TRIED the search, but I am not good at it, so;

    We just had a car fire, at I tried to get the hood open, and it just wouldnt open.
    Fire was in the engine compartment, and extended into the passenger compartment by the time we were on scene. The hood was burned and the hood release was gone in the passenger compartment.

    Tips/Tricks guys?
    PLEASE!
    Drive the point of the Halligan into the front corner of the hood and pry toward the opposite corner. This will give you a decent opening to get a stream into to knock down the fire.
    I've done this numerous times and it works great.

    Also, using the fork of the Halligan to engage the latch cable through the grill and twisting it will sometimes get the latch to release, but this has been hit or miss for me when I've tried it.




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    K-50 Circular Saw-V-cut over the locking mechanism and open it up.

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    Like Kevin said, driving the haligan into the hood works great. That is what I do if we are having trouble with the hood. There have been a few other threads like this on here before and some of the guys recommended everything from using the haligan to getting a K12 out and cutting the hood.

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    Rabbit tool works great, use your halligan to open up for a purchase point....Use the Rabbit Tool to lift the hood and clear the latch. On some older model cars, the Rabbit Tool will not give enough height to pop clear of the latch....Just use a piece of 1x cribbing under the base of the Rabbit Tool to gain more operating ability. And if all else fails, (and you have one) use the preconnected hydraulic spreader.
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    i have had success going through the wheel wells as well as bouncing the stream off the ground under the car.
    I usually just use a haligan to force the hood. I have also heard of companies using a spreader to force the hood. If that works for them, so be it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ehs7554
    K-50 Circular Saw-V-cut over the locking mechanism and open it up.
    Bongo, this is the only way. I've seen many great firefighters kock down car fire with ease but then spend 15-20 minutes looking like a Monkey F***ing a Football trying to get into the hood!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFDACM
    I've seen many great firefighters kock down car fire with ease but then spend 15-20 minutes looking like a Monkey F***ing a Football trying to get into the hood!
    Been there, done that with one exception: the monkey probably at least looked like he knew what he was trying to do..

    Everyone here has hit most of the good tips. If you've got a little gap in the latch area and you've got a really good set of bolt cutters, you can sometimes cut through the latch. We've had some success doing this with older cars.

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    We use the powerhawk rescue tool. First pinch the fender, then spread the hood and the hood is opened to blast way. Before we had the powerhawk bounce the water or put a hole in the ood with axe or halligan.I personally can like the powerhawk.
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    You could always try driving a piercing nozzle straight down through the hood.
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    I find it rather easy to use the haligan and pry up at the hinged end of the hood, and as soon as the hinges are exposed, snip them with the bolt cutters then flap the hood foward. This usually breaks the latch and frees up the hood all together.
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    The latch cable usually runs behind the driver head light.. Plus the plastic is pretty easy to get through..

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    If the vehicle is a Ford F-series pickup. the hoods are made of aluminum (aluminium for our UK friends ) and will probably be melted by the time you arrive...makes it easy to put out an engine compartment fire!

    Remember this, though... most engine compartment fires will cause the vehicle to be a total loss.
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    Dont stand in front of the bumper while the engine is on fire.

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    You could always try driving a piercing nozzle straight down through the hood.

    Dont stand in front of the bumper while the engine is on fire.

    K-50 Circular Saw-V-cut over the locking mechanism and open it up.

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    I'm a big fan of piercing applicators to knock down an engine compartment fire.

    BUT...it still needs to be opened up to assure extinguishment / overhaul IMHO (yes, I know there shouldn't be much...but better to look then assume).

    Knock down the passenger compartment, tires, cool the bumpers, etc. Usually can get a shot into the engine by bouncing around the wheel well. Pop on the piercing nozzle (bayonets and Rockwood nozzles make this easy ) to knock down fire remaining in the engine compartment going through the hood/headlight with the bayonet.

    If you can't use the latch and/or the halligan trick to twist the cable to release the safety...V-cut around the latch and lift the hood to finish the job.

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    I would think a Sawzall could do the job, too if you don't have a K-12 circular saw with a metal blade handy??? Pop a hole with a halligan at the "top" of the inverted V you're going to cut, then use the Sawzall...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFDACM
    Bongo, this is the only way. I've seen many great firefighters kock down car fire with ease but then spend 15-20 minutes looking like a Monkey F***ing a Football trying to get into the hood!
    I like a good zoological football game as well as the next guy but, can somebody to tell me why the auto manufactures are not required to use heavier cables that wonít burn through quite as quickly. Even on small fires in engine compartments we do more damage opening the hood then the fire every does. How many times have you stood in the street with a dozen onlookers while we struggle to get it open (see monkey & football above).
    Halligans, saws, spreaders, bolt cutters are great but 8 foot of a more heat resistant cable all the tools could stay on the truck.
    Yea I know $$$$

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    Whats the point really? Most car fires end up totalling to car, so why bother? Thats at least what they are thinking
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    If the fire gets to the point of destroying the latch cable, the car is going to be a loss.
    Even the burger-flippers at McDonald's probably have some McWackers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainGonzo
    If the vehicle is a Ford F-series pickup. the hoods are made of aluminum (aluminium for our UK friends ) and will probably be melted by the time you arrive...makes it easy to put out an engine compartment fire!

    Remember this, though... most engine compartment fires will cause the vehicle to be a total loss.
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    Now on the subject of "Humour" and "Colour" can we do a deal?

    Now back to the problem of fire under the vehicle bonnet or boot if it is at the other end!

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