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    Of places not to have a meeting in the field

    Fortunately, it doesn't look like any firefighters were involved in the conference going on.

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    I do believe that is about the last place you would find me standing at that scene. I guess that would ensure a quick meeting though
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    Alllllllrighty Then.
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    Don't forget that certain lenses will compress an image for "depth"..... Just food for thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Res343cue
    Don't forget that certain lenses will compress an image for "depth"..... Just food for thought.

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    It sure looks like a utility lineman or two standing there so I would be willing to bet that power is off.
    Even the burger-flippers at McDonald's probably have some McWackers.

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    Hallooooooo.

    That musta been a BUStard of a scene to deal with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nmfire
    It sure looks like a utility lineman or two standing there so I would be willing to bet that power is off.
    The power may be off, but I bet if that pole hits them in the head it will still hurt (hard hat or not)!!!
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    Again, I have full confidence in the utiltiy crews to know where it is safe to stand and where to avoid. I agree the pictures is comical but in reality, i doubt any of them are in any danger at all.
    Even the burger-flippers at McDonald's probably have some McWackers.

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    Simplest answer to NM's assumptions:

    Risk a little to save a little.

    There is nothing for these Troopers and whoever the other guys are to be doing that needs them to put themselves in that position.

    You have hazards ranging from the physical of something shifting, snapping, etc. To electrical -- those wires aren't grounded as far as can be seen in the photo, so are presumed to be live.

    If there was work that needed to be done -- people on the bus needing to be evacuated for instance -- get the job done with care.

    Once the situation is stable from a public safety point of view, don't become complacent. The only people who need to enter that hot zone at that point is lineman with a bucket truck to ground the lines, and a boom truck to stabilize the pole.

    Whatever troopers, tow truck drivers, mechanics from the bus company, local firefighters helping direct traffic, electrical workers, etc need to talk about can be done some where else.

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    I agree completley, however the lack of a visible ground in the picture doesn't mean it isn't de-energized and grounded. It might be de-energized and grounded a mile down the road. I agree standing directly under it to BS over coffee isn't very bright, but as someone else mentioned, camera lenses to funny things. I'm just giving them the benefit of the doubt here, thats all.
    Even the burger-flippers at McDonald's probably have some McWackers.

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    Ok, here's an interesting question in my mind that's coming from this discussion (aimed at anyone...not just NM):

    What where you taught as a rule-of-thumb to leave as a safe distance from damaged poles or wires when you're just "standing by?"

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    LOL...THEFIRENUT..I had one fall on my hand out in our pole yard at work last week...That hurt like an SOB...So I can imagine what it would do if it fell on your damn head..
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    I as well would not be standing there, I would have at least gotten closer to the shoulder so it didn't bump me on the noggin if it did fall..perhaps they were talking about the donut selection at Krispy Kreme.
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    Due to zooming issues, they might not be under the leaning pole, but they are very clearly and obviously in the line of fire if the next pole nearer the camera (which is under obvious stresses) gives way, flinging the conductors between poles into their midst. Those things ain't piano wire, they'll leave a nice mark if not broken bones.

    Looks like at least one lineman in that picture, but given how many oopsie photos of firefighters we see on this forum you can bet that linemen have a few oopsie photo ops, too.

    Doesn't seem to be any reason that they couldn't have this little kum-by-ya session on the other side of the street.
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    Two intact poles away from the problem until the utility confirms the lines are de-energized and grounded.
    Even the burger-flippers at McDonald's probably have some McWackers.

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    Did anybody notice those guys in the middle don't even have vests on? How unsafe is THAT???

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    The past president of the Upper Handjab Vol. Rescue Squad will come on and immediately agree w/ #2, stating that, while he's never actually DONE a call like that, he has attended SEVERAL classes on the subject, and he can plainly see that you didn't do it anything like his training.

    Looking at the photo again, I can tell by those guys' postures that they're standing around nitpicking some other town's call like a bunch of old ladies.

    Actually, maybe there's hope for us after all. At least this thread had several guys reminding others that this 1/16 of a second captured by a lens might not be the same as being there.

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    To quote my own signature, which sums up my feelings on the whole armchair quaterbacking:

    "Fire fighting isn't dangerous, getting your picture posted on Firehouse.com is..."
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    As long as the line is de engergized, the only danger you are in is being the tallest guy there, cuz the pole will hit you first!
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