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    I was just watching a report on a speach given by the leader of Iran that he was talking about bringing chaos to the world and that "a peaceful person" will come down and make it all right.

    What do you think will happen? I think that they are going to **** of israel and israel is going to nuke the crap out of iran.
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    I was watching Black Hawk Down before it put me too sleep but there is a quote by Eric Bana before they fly off.

    "My opinon doesnt matter."

    I dont mean to start a war, but its been pretty obvious by the way the governments have been operating that it doesnt matter what the people say.

    What needs to be done? Its going to vary from person to person. Should Iran have the chance to make nuclear weapons? No, I should not think so.

    Does Iran Like the US? Nope. Do they have reason not to? Yes

    How about when the US supplied chemical weapons to Iraq in the 80's that killed millions of Iranians? But oh no, its two sided.

    What gives America the power to police the world?

    Only when it conflicts with American interest? How about when the conflict is there because of American interactions?

    All I'll say is that I dont feel they should have the chance to possibly make nuclear weapons but they probably feel the same when America secretly lent plutonium to Israel in the 60's.

    Israel should step in and do something because, if nuclear weapons are made... they are the first target. Granted, the US is up there but will the US people stand for another invasion? All the ranting and raving going on now... time will tell. Maybe the government should listen to the opinons of its people? But, then again "My opinon doesnt matter"

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    What's next? I'd settle for Osama Bin Ladin. Remember him?

    As for Israel, I'm not really worried about a country that in 1967 took 6 days, to beat the crap out of Egypt, Syria, and Jordan. The arabs tried again in 1973 with a bigger coalition and failed. Israelis are good fighters, we've supplied them enough, I bet they could hold their own in a bar fight.
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    I'm something of a student of history, particularly military, and GodSendRain is right on. Isreal is NOT a country to be trifled with, particularly an Isreal armed and supplied with the latest weapons and technology by the good old US of A.

    It's interesting, and not very widely known, that Ahmadinejad was instrumental in orchestrating the Embassy attack and takeover in '81. A great book about it is "Guests of the Ayatollah" by Mark Bowden. This was also the first time Delta Force was deployed - with disastrous results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JHR1985
    Does Iran Like the US? Nope. Do they have reason not to? Yes

    How about when the US supplied chemical weapons to Iraq in the 80's that killed millions of Iranians? But oh no, its two sided.
    First, I'll preface this by I don't know how old you are so you may not remember 1979. When Iran held completely innocent American diplomats hostage for 444 days, they gave up any right to sympathy from me. The place should already be glowing in the dark.

    Second, show me one single shred of credible evidence that the government of the United States EVER supplied chemical weapons to Saddam Hussein. A private company in Baltimore was involved in supplying mustard gas chemicals to BOTH sides in the Iran/Iraq war. The company was prosecuted and convicted in 1989 of selling related chemicals TO IRAN. The story is resurfacing now for two reasons: (1)Dutch citizen that was involved in the sale of chemicals to Iraq has finally been captured and is facing trial over there for his role in the sales. The US indicted him way back in 1989 but he slipped away. (2) It dovetails nicely with revisionist that like to blame everything bad in the world on the US and those seeking to unseat incumbents in the midterm elections. Iraq's weapons, both conventional and special, came almost entirely from three suppliers: France, Russia, and China.

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    Good. I was hoping for something like this. You want websites? Allow me to grant your wish:

    http://www.indybay.org/news/2002/03/119547.php

    Most Americans listening to the President did not know that the United States supplied Iraq with much of the raw material for creating a chemical and biological warfare program. Nor did the media report that U.S. companies sold Iraq more than $1 billion worth of the components needed to build nuclear weapons and diverse types of missiles, including the infamous Scud.

    When Iraq engaged in chemical and biological warfare in the 1980s, barely a peep of moral outrage could be heard from Washington, as it kept supplying Saddam with the materials he needed to build weapons.


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    On 3/21/86, the US Department of Commerce issued a license to the American Type Culture Collection (ATCC) to export aspergillus fungal cultures, used in the production of aflatoxin, to Iraq.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Ir...ers_in_the_war

    The report then detailed 70 shipments (including anthrax bacillus) from the United States to Iraqi government agencies over three years, concluding It was later learned that these microorganisms exported by the United States were identical to those the UN inspectors found and recovered from the Iraqi biological warfare program

    Now, you are correct when you say that it was private companies that sent most of the chemical weapons. But, what you forget to mention, as brought out in some of the quotes, was that the US government granted licenses to the companies to ship their products. So, the US government allowed chemical weapons to be sold to Iraq.

    Now, at the same time, you mentioned the 1979 Ordeal. Now, I can see where your coming from. BUT, you did not mention the mass supply of arms provided during the 60's and 70's to none other than Israel. F-4 Phantoms, Weapons and Vehicles were mass supplied to the Jewish state. Those American made weapons and supplies were used to kill thousands, if not millions of Muslims. You have to realize that it does not matter in the mind of the muslims that they were the aggressor. What matters is that American made and supplied equipment was killing them. The support of Israel has created many hostile Muslims. So, US caused aggression was there long before the 1979 ordeal.

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    Site wise, I really have no clue. I just search and find stuff that is true. I actually withheld CNN due to the "thats a liberal" site. I dont know of any others. I could pull up rotten and others but there not any better than CNN in the view of some

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    I actually withheld CNN due to the "thats a liberal" site.

    All righty then...

    And the first link was an article from The Progressive, since before WW I a mouthpiece of Socialist / Isolationist / Pacifism. They look to the right to see most liberals, with A.N.S.W.E.R. and other communist and related totalaterian organizations on their left.

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    As for Iran, let them stew for a while.

    While they're the most bellicose threat to western values, outside of Israel, they're the state that has the most western-like outlook among large portions of their population in that region.

    Let their President make idiotic statements, and don't play to him. The Iranian people will likely replace him on their own as long as they feel they're not being "boxed into a corner" to replace him. I don't expect a velvet revolution while the Clerics retain their essentially "veto powers" over the government...but the Iranian people are capable of moderating their own government. That ability to moderate was something lacking in Iraq, and remains lacking in North Korea.

    Best we can do is to work towards shifting them towards pebble-bed reactors (longer term), with fuel processing in Russia (achievable now, even for conventional reactors). Oh wait, we've managed to **** off both Russia and China whose help we need to guide them in that direction in recent weeks by playing to some specific segment of specific populations that the pollsters said if you act or say this it'll play well in this one little area.

    I don't want to see them with nuclear weapons. However, what would they do with them? Fend off an attack that isn't going to happen anyway? Lob one at Israel just to settle the question if Israel has just slightly less then or slightly more than 100 bombs it could deliver to Iran?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JHR1985
    Site wise, I really have no clue.
    That is painfully obvious!

    I just search and find stuff that is true.
    If you have no clue, then how do you know it's true? Did a little bird tell you?

    I actually withheld CNN due to the "thats a liberal" site. I dont know of any others. I could pull up rotten and others but there not any better than CNN in the view of some
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    I just search and find stuff that is true.

    Exactly what Capt.G said how do you know its true, and not a bunch a bullsh*t on the internet?
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    Im sure this has been posted on here before, but I am way too lazy to do a search. To the people who seem to think we should be isolationist and get "mind our own business":


    WOULD IT NOT BE GREAT TO TURN ON THE TV AND SEE Pres. George W. Bush GIVE THE FOLLOWING SPEECH:


    My fellow Americans: As you all know, the defeat of Iraq's regime has been completed. Since congress does not want to spend any more money on this war, our mission in Iraq is complete. This morning I gave the order for a complete removal of all American forces from Iraq. This action will be complete within 30 days. It is now time to begin the reckoning.

    Before me, I have two lists. List 1 contains the names of countries which have stood by our side during the Iraq conflict. This list is short. The United Kingdom, Spain, Bulgaria, Australia, and Poland are some of the countries listed there. List 2 contains everyone not on the first list. Most of the world's nations are on that list. My press secretary will be distributing copies of both lists later this evening.

    Let me start by saying that effective immediately, foreign aid to those nations on List 2 ceases immediately and indefinitely. The money saved during the first year alone will pretty much pay for the costs of the Iraqi war. The American people are no longer going to pour money into third world hell-holes and watch those government leaders grow fat on corruption.

    Need help with a famine? Wrestling with an epidemic? Call France. In the future, together with Congress, I will work to redirect this money toward solving the vexing social problems we still have at home.

    To Israel and the Palestinian Authority. Yo, boys. Work out a peace deal now. Just note that Camp David is closed. Maybe all of you can go to Russia for negotiations. They have some great palaces there. Big tables, too. I'm ordering the immediate severing of diplomatic relations with France, Germany, and Russia. Thanks for all your help, comrades. We are retiring from NATO as well. Bon chance, mes amis. I have instructed the Mayor of New York City to begin towing the many UN diplomatic vehicles located in Manhattan with more than two unpaid parking tickets to sites where those vehicles will be stripped, shredded and crushed. I don't care about whatever treaty pertains to this. You creeps have 10's of thousands of unpaid tickets. Pay those tickets tomorrow or watch your precious Benzes, Beamers, and limos be turned over to some of the finest chop shops in the world. I love New York.

    A special note to our neighbors - Canada on List 2, Since we are going to be seeing a lot more of each other, you folks might want to try not ****ing us off for a change.

    And to Mexico, also on List 2, President Fox and your entire corrupt government really need an attitude adjustment. I will have a couple extra tank and infantry divisions sitting around. Guess where I'm gonna put 'em? Yep, border security. So start doing something with your oil. Oh, by the way, the United States is abrogating the NAFTA treaty---starting now. Were tired of the one way highway. It is time for America to focus on its own welfare and its own citizens.

    Some will accuse us of isolationism. I answer them be saying darn tootin'. Nearly a century of trying to help folks live a decent life around the world has only earned us the undying enmity of just about everyone on the planet. It is time to eliminate hunger in America. It is time to eliminate homelessness in America. It is time to eliminate World Cup soccer from America.

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    Dal is absoultely right about Iran. Just let them run off at the mouth for a while, ignore them, and the problem will probably take care of itself. I doubt if either Russia or China really want to see Iraq with nukes.

    JHR1985, Dal's already addressed the reliability of your sources but I'll add just a few points:

    1) I intentionally left out the sale of small biological samples. Those occured, no doubt but as the Bush-haters always love to point out - no biological weapons have been found and to my knowledge no biological weapons were employed during the Iran/Iraq war. You can't have it both ways. If those samples were part of a bioweapons program, then some of our war justification existed. If there was no bioweapons, then those samples weren't used for evil purposes. The chemical weapons that were employed on the battlefield were Russian, Chinese, and homegrown agents fired through Russian and Chinese artillery tubes or sprayed by French jets.

    2) Your 'reliable sources' use the old trick of listing vendors that sell products that might be used in weapons programs. Here's a news flash: That Pentium IV you used to type your post is on the list of export-restricted technology along with almost any other high end scientific instrument.

    3) Your lack of accurate knowledge about US conventional weapons sales is almost funny. There were less than 50 F-4 Phantoms on hand for the 1973 war, along with a similar number of A-4 Skyhawk light attack aircraft. None were present for the 1967 war. A quick google can get you a list of airframes by serial number if you doubt me. During the turbulent times of the late 1950s and 1960s, the IAF's warplanes were French and English. The hotrod was considered to be the French-built Mirage III/V series because of its outstanding performance in the 1967 war.

    Furthermore, since the late 1970s and early 1980s, the US has supplied frontline platforms to Egypt, Lebanon, Turkey, and Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia operates F-15 Eagle fighters and E-3 Sentry AWACs aircraft. When delivered, both were the best in the world BAR NONE at their jobs. Ronald Reagan's administration made these sales. It is also interesting to note that the US never sold E-3s to Israel.

    Feel free to hate the US and blame us for all the problems of the world, that is your right but the assertions you made in your post are wrong.
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    Wow, I missed this till EFD mentioned it again:

    Now, I can see where your coming from. BUT, you did not mention the mass supply of arms provided during the 60's and 70's to none other than Israel. F-4 Phantoms, Weapons and Vehicles were mass supplied to the Jewish state. Those American made weapons and supplies were used to kill thousands, if not millions of Muslims.

    1) "Millions" is a statistical impossibility.

    Currently the Palenstian population is approximately 8 million, waited very heavily towards youth due to the unusual combination of high birth rate AND low infant mortality (compared to populations with similiar birth rates).

    Check out something like: http://www.fafo.no/pub/rapp/433/433.pdf and scroll down the graphs that look like a "pyramid" or "diamond" -- they wouldn't have an even distribution like this if there was a major upset in the population (unlike some of the European countries like France experienced in the wake of the meat grinder of WW I).

    There was never a war on the scale of which "millions" could have been killed in another country by Israel.

    Some numbers that stand out -- 21,000 killed in the Six-Day War by Israel; 3,800 killed since 2000 in Palistinean areas. 12,000 in Lebanon in total between the '73 and '90 interventions.

    The consensus numbers put the death toll at Israeli hands -- since their inception as a nation -- at the low six figures -- 100,000 to 125,000.

    For comparison's sake, the most conservative estimates put Saddam Hussein's domestic political death toll at no less then 250,000. And few believe it less than 500,000.

    And during the same time frame, Arab on Persian warfare claimed over 1.3 million lives.

    Darn it, gotta get rid of those inefficient Israelis. We can do a better job killing ourselves then they do!

    In reality, Israel is a convient boogey man for many in the secular and religous political leadership in many middle eastern countries to keep take heat off of themselves. Israel isn't pure as the wind driven snow, but at the same time it is not the evil incarnate it's made out to be...and indeed, it seems statistically it provides a better life for muslims in the territory it controls...then muslims in arab controlled territory seem to have.

    2) In 1973, we signed an agreement and by 1976 had supplied 80 F-14 Tomcats to Iran. Gee, so much for giving Israel all the good weapons...

    Saudi Arabia also got F-15s as well as AWACS. There was de-grading / not the latest & greatest of the electronics to the other countries; I'm not sure about Israel although they could probably make their own better versions had they received degraded versions.

    Weapons in the middle east come from a wide range of suppliers. Most notably USSR / Russia and France; but also surprisingly places like Brazil rank pretty high. The U.S. did have a market there but primarily of the very highest technology being acquired -- a much more limited segment then the weapons that did the grunt work.
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    In 1973, we signed an agreement and by 1976 had supplied 80 F-14 Tomcats to Iran. Gee, so much for giving Israel all the good weapons...
    Along with a good supply of Phoenix missles. For the useless military hardware trivia file - Iran is now the only operator of the F-14. Iran is also the only country to successfully use the Phoenix in combat. One reason given for the Tomcat's failure to score a victory in the first Gulf war was that every time they lit off the radar, Iraqis ran like roaches when you turn on the light. They hadn't fought an F-15 so they had to learn about it the hard way, but they had no doubts about a Tomcat's ability to disassemble MiGs.

    Like you said, it is too bad we give Israel all the good stuff...

    edited to add: I should have "failed to score a victory against a fixed wing aircraft" a couple of helos had poor decision making days and became turkey fodder
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    Quote Originally Posted by EFD840
    Along with a good supply of Phoenix missles. For the useless military hardware trivia file - Iran is now the only operator of the F-14. Iran is also the only country to successfully use the Phoenix in combat. One reason given for the Tomcat's failure to score a victory in the first Gulf war was that every time they lit off the radar, Iraqis ran like roaches when you turn on the light. They hadn't fought an F-15 so they had to learn about it the hard way, but they had no doubts about a Tomcat's ability to disassemble MiGs.

    Like you said, it is too bad we give Israel all the good stuff... ...
    It's widely believed none of Iran's F-14s are operational anymore - we stopped selling them parts for them quite some time ago, and they had to start cannabilizing them to keep others running.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chopper12
    It's widely believed none of Iran's F-14s are operational anymore - we stopped selling them parts for them quite some time ago, and they had to start cannabilizing them to keep others running.
    That would be a seriously flawed belief. Not only are they operational, they've been modified to serve as mini-AWACs and the Iranians have engineered a special pylon to let them launch Hawk SAMS since they've long since expended their supply of Phoenix AAMs.

    Technical support has come from Russia, Israel, and probably even the US but DO NOT sell the locals short. Even after the revolution, Iran is not some backwoods country. They've developed local enhancements to their platforms and even placed an all-new locally designed jet into service.

    Some sources say they've got fewer than twenty operational, some say more than 60 but they are most certainly still in active use. They're flown and shown at demonstrations in country. I subscribe to some international military avation journals and there are lots of pics and writeups of Grumman's last 'Cat in IAF service.

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    nyckftbl for PRESIDENT!!!!!

    wouldnt it be great if america went back to the way it was before WWII; when( or so i have learned) we had the mindset that you can screw with anybody you want, but dont screw with us. if you do, well, you are screwed. we have enough problems (drugs, poverty, violance, etc.) to deal with. good job nyckftbl

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    And when Jr grows up he WILL be an Engine. (VIOLENCE is the word)

    Hate to dampen your self righteous indignation and warm fuzzies, but I bet North Vietnam positively QUAKE in their boots every time you say
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    (yes, taken in context to your statement.)

    And before WW2 (with the exception of coming in at the end of WW1) who the hell had America taken on that could give you a decent fight. (except yourselves, but thats another civil matter)

    In the words of Winston Churchill.

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    "The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is."

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    wouldnt it be great if america went back to the way it was before WWII; when( or so i have learned) we had the mindset that you can screw with anybody you want

    And before WW2 (with the exception of coming in at the end of WW1) who the hell had America taken on that could give you a decent fight. (except yourselves, but thats another civil matter)

    Well you forget to add the part where he said "or so I have learned" but in any case I hope it was a day in school you were day dreaming lol but in any case I think it would be interesting if america did what nyckftbl said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyingKiwi
    "The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives."
    Hey Kiwi. Don't lecture we Americans on stupidity in foreign policy. We're experts at it. We wonder why Iraqis and Iranians distrust us. It certainly couldn't be that we installed the Shah in Iran and Hussein in Iraq AFTER both nations had democratically elected someone else?

    They just don't know how lucky they were for us to have installed ruthless dictators willing to do our bidding while treating the locals as so much ennui.
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    Just curious...

    What counts as the U.S. putting Saddam in power by overthrowing a democratically elected government in your imagination, SC?

    The 1959 plot Saddam was involved with to assinate the Prime Minister of a five month old government installed after a military coup that outsted a monarchy...

    Or would it be 1979 when he took over from his cousin, who outside from the occassional counter-coup, had ruled since he led a coup against the leadership of the coup that originally ousted the King...

    Never knew "coup" and "democratically elected" where synonyms.

    As far as installing the Shah to replace a democratically elected government, that's a bit more complicated if you can believe it after the above coup-counter coup-coup-coup again-coup some more of Iraq.

    The Shah (King) was the Shah from 1941 to 1979. In 1951 he nominated a new Prime Minister, who the democratically elected parliament approved. In 1953, the new PM told the Shah he should abdicate the thrown and leave the country -- something that he didn't have power in the Iranian legal framework to do. In response, the Shah used his powers under the Constitution to dismiss the PM. And yes, there was a mess of other stuff going on. And yes, in the decades following the Shah became increasingly schizophrenic in regards to democracy -- eliminating political parties other than the one that supported him, but at the same time extending suffrage to women. But it remains incorrect to say "someone else" had been elected to the position the Shah held before and after -- the Shah was the Shah, and the Prime Minister was the Prime Minister.
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    SCFire.

    I didn't lecture anyone.

    But I think Winston Churchill might have had an idea what he was talking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EFD840
    First, I'll preface this by I don't know how old you are so you may not remember 1979. When Iran held completely innocent American diplomats hostage for 444 days, they gave up any right to sympathy from me. The place should already be glowing in the dark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalmatian190
    Just curious...

    What counts as the U.S. putting Saddam in power by overthrowing a democratically elected government in your imagination, SC?

    The 1959 plot Saddam was involved with to assinate the Prime Minister of a five month old government installed after a military coup that outsted a monarchy...

    Or would it be 1979 when he took over from his cousin, who outside from the occassional counter-coup, had ruled since he led a coup against the leadership of the coup that originally ousted the King...
    None of the above Dal. You left out the coup in 1963 that put Saddam in power. Here's an article from the late Col. Hackworth that details El Mustachio's rise to power with US help. Same as with Iran. PM Mohammed Mossadegh was overthrown with the help of the CIA. If you don't believe that, you'd be one of the few.

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    By Col. David H. Hackworth USA (ret.)



    Hopefully, the looting and shooting across Iraq will soon subside, and peace will settle over the innocents of Iraq – a people who've suffered only bloodshed and repression ever since our CIA recruited Saddam Hussein more than 40 years ago.

    Blame it on the Cold War, when “Better dead than Red” became our national byword, and any useful cutthroats were automatically added to the team if they were against communism. We would have dealt with the devil if he had offered to shoot a commie for Uncle Sam.

    So when Iraqi Prime Minister Abd al-Karim Qasim started playing footsie with the Soviets, placing his Red pals in power positions in his government, all wasn't exactly copasetic in Washington. At the time, CIA Director Allen Dulles declared Iraq “the most dangerous spot in the world.”

    Enter Saddam, whose potential for violence suited us to the max.

    Whether it was the threat of Soviet missiles being set up in Iraq or the chance to secure all that black liquid gold as ours for the pumping, we hired Psycho Saddam as our hit man, set him up in an apartment across the street from the prime minister's Ministry of Defense and ordered Qasim taken out with “extreme prejudice.”

    But the Mustached One’s 1959 assassination attempt was a mess-up from the get-go, the botched mission a precursor to his subsequent eight-year war with Iran and later fights with Stormin’ Norman and Tommy Franks. The signs were all there right from the start – we just didn't take the time to read the tea leaves.

    For openers, Saddam lost his nerve and triggered the ambush too soon. One member of this hit team that couldn't shoot straight had the wrong ammo; another, the grenade man, couldn’t fling that sucker because it got caught in his coat; and yet a third member missed the prime minister but somehow managed to shoot Saddam in the leg. Qasim escaped, and so did Saddam, limping off to Cairo, Egypt, where – even after all those blunders – the CIA propped him up in a safe house and kept his pockets lined with Yankee green while continuing his training in terrorism

    In 1963, after Qasim was knocked off in a second CIA black op, Saddam scurried home to slay his way up the power ladder and eventually become head of the dreaded al-Jihaz a-Khas, the feared intelligence apparatus of the Ba’ath party.

    From there, with a little more help from his CIA pals, he continued to plot, plunder and massacre his way to the head-beast slot, where we anointed him our newest very best friend. Not just because of the Cold War or Iraq's rich oil deposits, but also because he went after our former best friend and newest major enemy, Iran. We supported our fave new despot with the works: arms and munitions, precursors for chemical and biological weapons, and intelligence information gained from our ultra-secret intelligence intercepts of Iranian radio traffic and other hot skinny from our satellites showing up-to-the-minute Iranian battle dispositions.

    Even current SecDef Donald Rumsfeld rushed to Saddam's palace in 1983 to bow and scrape and assure the Bully of Baghdad he had a Ronald Reagan-signed blank check for almost any bombs and bullets in our arsenal. After which our generals and admirals taught him how to use them, completing his morph into a master of Military Miscalculation.
    Then, in 1990, Saddam did a Noriega and foolishly bit the hand that fed him – as has almost every U.S.-sponsored Cold War dictator from every dark corner of every continent. His ill-conceived blitzkrieg against one of our primary gas stations, Kuwait, only served to get him locked down in Iraq for 12 no-fly-zone years, with heavy sanctions and bombing raids.

    And when he still didn't get it, the pre-emptors decided to take him out for good.

    Now billions and perhaps trillions of our dollars and our best and brightest will be rebuilding Iraq to create a stable government – a beacon of democratic light in a dismally troubled region.

    But that's only if we don't empower yet another world-class serial killer, and then in a decade or two have to spend still more precious American lives making another regime change in a country that's already paid too hard a price.

    © 2003 David H. Hackworth.
    Politics is like driving. To go forward select "D", to go backward select "R."

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