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    Quote Originally Posted by nyckftbl
    Im guessing your from Rockland?
    Was it really that obvious?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chauffer6
    Was it really that obvious?
    Nope, not at all! Theres a couple others on here as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyckftbl
    Nope, not at all! Theres a couple others on here as well.
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    In Gloucester County New Jersey we use...

    1st digit is district number
    2nd digit is station number
    3rd digit is unit number

    for Example
    My station is 7-3

    Numbering System
    Command-0
    Engines-1-3
    Tankers-4
    Brush Trucks-5
    Ladders-6
    Ulitily-7
    Rescue-8
    BLS Squad-9

    So..
    Command 730
    Engine Co 733
    Ladder Co 736
    Ulitity 737
    Rescue Co 738
    Squad 739
    Fireboat 7

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    Here its all about the station the truck is in.

    Station 1 has Pump 1 and Rescue 1

    Station 2 has Pump 2 and Ladder 2

    Station 5 has Pump 5 and Ladder 5

    Station 10 has Pump 10 and Pump 10A

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    Quote Originally Posted by JFRindfleisch
    Is there a vehicle numbering system out there that is uniform across the country? Our area is looking at changing the vehicle numbering system and I am looking for some input. It seems that what I have found is there is no uniformity in the way we number our vehicles in the fire service. Thanks

    There really is no uniformed national numbering system for fire apparatus. For that matter, there is no uniformed naming system for the various types of apparatus either.

    One of the best regional numbering & operational systems I've ever seen is here in the Northern Virginia area (NOVA).

    All fire-rescue jurisdictions in the NOVA region are assigned a number. The number assigned is reflected by the county each fire-rescue agency is in, plus an assigned number for the Metropolitan Washington Airport Authority's fire-rescue units at Dulles and Reagan International Airports.

    Example:

    Arlington County and Fort Myer Army Base Fire Departments; 100 series

    Alexandria Fire Department; 200 series

    Airport Authority; 300 series

    Fairfax City and County and Fort Belvoir Army Base Fire Departments; 400 series

    Prince William County, Manassas, Manassas Park, MCB Quantico; 500 series

    Loudoun County; 600 series

    This numbering system works great, because you can tell where a company is from just by their number alone, and there is no confusing a department's engine 1 with another department's engine 1. Engine 401 is Fairfax County, Engine 101 is Arlington County, and so on. Plus there is a standardized naming system for area apparatus so you know that rescues are heavy rescues, towers are towers, quints are quints, trucks are sticks, engines and wagons are engine companies.

    The NOVA area also operates on a Mutual Box System and has an SOP to standardize alarm assignments.

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    hey JR one thing to remember is that the rock county fire officers dont govern you guys its your police and fire commision or fire district rcfoassn really cant tell you to renumber your trucks ....... just my 2 cents
    engine 163 to command .. tell engine 165 we got it they can take up and return

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    It seems like there are still a LOT of Companies/Depts still using the all number system. In Montgomery County, PA, we use PLAIN SPEAK.
    ex. Station 27

    Eng 27, Eng 27-1, Eng 27-2, etc..
    Quint 27
    Ladder 27
    Rescue 27
    Marine 27, Marine 27-1

    Most of the Companies in the county have switched over with the exception of a few officers in the LOWER end that think they are all that. It used to be an all number system.

    Why did we switch, its a no brainer, eay to understand, engine, ladder, rescue, etc...

    All those still using numbers think of this: Plain Speak is the only accepted NIMS compliant talk. The only way Depts are going to get funding in the near future is to be NIMS compliant. You want the $$, it might be worth it to give Plain Speak a shot!!

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    In my county where I live, they have a number assigend to each department. 1-13. So engine 33 is department 3 at station 3, or engine 332 is deparment 3 station 3 reserve. Or truck 51 is department 5 at station 1.

    So if it is a 2 number combo, the first number indicates the deparment and the second indicates the station. For a 3 number combo, the first is the department, the second the station, and the third means that it is a reserve.

    Also, we use the designators, engine, truck, quint, rescue, hazmat, boat, brush etc...

    Before that each apparatus had a specific 3 number id, with no uniformity.
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    In one of these discussions I have never seen the "California way" or what they do in the counties around here. So here goes

    First two digits: district number
    Second two digits are a series indicating what it is.
    00 - Chief of department
    01-05 Divisions usually
    06-09 Specialized battalions usually
    10-19 Field Battalions
    20 Fire Marshal
    21-29 Fire Prevention People
    30-39 Pickups, light equipment usually
    40-49 Squads, Rescues, etc usually - CDF uses it for dozers
    50-59 Trucks and heavier equipment usually - sometimes pickups
    60-69 Smaller 4wd engines
    70-79 Smaller 2wd engines
    80-89 Large engines
    90-99 Water tenders

    The larger departments that don't need a lot of outside help have gone to numbering such as Truck 2, engine 89, etc. these days. The smaller rural ones and CDF are basically the ones that retain the system I used above any more. And when you go responding in Engine 5982 you are supposed to say "Engine 5982" so there is no confusion about what it is.

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    Prince George's County, MD uses
    first 1 or 2 digits as station number (47 or so stations)
    engines and ambulances receive another digit, as there may be several from a station. e.g. Engine 11, Engine 12, Ambulance 98, 99. Engines get 1,2,3, Ambulances get 9,8,7

    Station 1 (Hyattsville) has (don't quote me!)
    Engine 11
    Engine 12
    Truck 1
    Rescue Squad 1
    Ambulance 19
    Ambulance 18

    Station 11 (Branchville) has
    Engine 111
    Engine 112
    Ambualnce 119

    All radio calls use the plain english resource type plus the number, though the ambulance and engine numbers for the two digit stations are unique.

    This is very similar if not exactly the same as Montgomery County, MD

    I think it's similar to the other jurisdiction in the Metropolitan Washington, DC, Council of Covernments - except, of course, DC itself. The COG jurisdictions each have a numerical prefix to add to the jurisdictional numbers, but still use the plain english resource type before the number. In VA they use these prefixes all the time, in MD & DC they never use them. In fact, they use an entirely different mutual aid numbering system between PG and MoCo, though this should change.

    So for the COG area (5.5 Million people, Many hundreds of resources)

    Resource Type, in Plain English
    N1= Jurisdiction
    N2 & N3 Station No
    N4, if used, Resource Number


    Washington DC simply numbers their engines 1-33, their trucks 1 (closed) through 16, and their Rescue Squads 1-3.

    My Vote for 'National Standard':
    [Plain English Jurisdiction][Plain English Resource Type][Local Numbering System] or:
    "Anytown Engine 1234 to Thatcounty Truck 1..."

    Speaking of which, should it be "Me to you" or "You, this is Me"?

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    Have seen a number of identification systems as I have moved around quite a bit in my 27 years.

    The all-number systems work well but can be very confusing initially. One of the best system in a combo number-letter-number system.

    Initial number represents the department designation.

    Letter then represents apparatus type or department rank.
    Example from the county system used in my last department in northern VT:
    C- Chief
    K - Captain or Lt.
    E - Engine
    T - Truck
    W - Tanker
    R - Rescue
    B- Brush
    etc, etc ...

    Last number represents vehicle number

    Example: 4E1, 4W1, 4T1, etc ....
    On the radio you would actually say the word ... "4Engine1 is responding"

    Personally I like not to repeat the number as it cuts down confusion if the radio operator clips himself ... example maybe a fleet that looks like this ...
    4E1, 4E2, 4T3, 4W4, 4R5, 4E6, 4W7, 4B8, etc etc....

    Department on am on now simply ses Engine 1, etc, etc.
    There is no multi-department/county/regional numbering system.
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    Back when I was in Monterey County, Ca, we had a similar numbering system to that mentioned above.
    wxyz - wx was the department number, yz was the type of apparatus by type. Z was the determanant for the first out, second out, or station it ran out of.

    01-09 chiefs
    10-19 type 1 engine
    20-29 type 2 engine
    30-39 type 3 engine
    40-49 type 4 engine
    70-79 ladder
    Can't remember the specialty aparatus, but I think 60-69 was rescue.

    I really liked the system. Easy and straight forward.

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    Unit numbers in are county are crazy. Every unit in the county is a truck. Even if its a engine, rescue or tanker. They are all trucks. In the city there is a county number and a city number. They look like this.

    Station 1 Engine Co.1 (CountyT2132) Ladder Co.1 (CountyT2133) Rescue Co.1 (CountyT2151) BC 31 (CountyT2131) Hazmat 53 (CountyT2153)

    Station 2 Engine Co.2 (CountyT2135)

    Station 3 Engine Co.3 (CountyT2136)

    Station 4 Engine Co.4 (CountyT2137)

    Station 5 Engine Co.5 (CountyT2138) Ladder Co.2 (CountyT2134)

    Station 6 Engine Co.6 (CountyT2140)

    Station 7 Engine Co.7 (CountyT2142)

    The number system in are county was made in the 60s, so we have been using them for a long time.

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    Ours is much like the Montgomery County PA system outlined above. We used to have digits designated to types of apparatus, but we outgrew that system as new types of specialized apparatus and more of certain types came in service. So, now the apparatus is designated in plain English, with station numbers and suffixes to identify unit locations and individual units. For example...

    Our station has just engine, tanker and a squad unit, and it's station number 42, so we have Engine 42, Tanker 42 and Squad 42.

    One of our neigboring stations has two engines, a rescue, a squad unit, and one of the county spill trailers, and it's station number 67, so they have Engine 67, Engine 67-1, Rescue 67, Squad 67 and Trailer 67.

    Another neigbor has an engine, a tower ladder, a squad unit, and two brush jeeps, and it's station number 70, so they have Engine 70, Tower 70, Squad 70, Brush 70 and Brush 70-1.

    The type designations are mostly simple, intuitive plain English, including Engine, Tanker, Brush, Rescue, Squad, Boat, Car, Trailer, and Traffic. The aerial unit designations have gotten out of hand, and are probably going to be streamlined sometime in the not-too-distant future. Right now, they include Truck, Ladder, Tower, Quint and Aerial, but I expect that's going to be reduced to one or two designations over the next few years.

    I recommend a plain English system of some kind, as it is simple and allows for maximum flexibility. Except for the rampant proliferation of aerial device designations, ours works very well.

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    I do not recommend you follow our officer designation system under any circumstances, because it makes no good sense at all. For some reason, which no one can adequately explain because it's simply idiotic, the officers are still designated by station #s and sufixes only, as they have been for approximately the last 40 years:

    Chief: xx-10
    Assistant/Deputy Chiefs: xx-11, xx-12, xx-13
    Captains, Lieutenants, Foremen, Sargeants, etc.: xx-14, xx-15, xx-16, xx-17, xx-18

    xx-19 and xx-20 denote Fire Police captains and Lieutenants in some parts of the county, while other companies use xx-19 as another in the xx-14 through xx-18 series and xx-20 for safety officers. In short, these suffixes can (and do) represent anything and everything depending on where you are.

    If that's not bad enough, Fire Marshalls (FM-xx) and Fire Commissioners (FC-xx) have their own special designation scheme, for no better reason than that allowing this avoided messing with the closely-guarded, divinely-bestowed officer suffixes (note intense sarcasm here). Some merged/consolidated departments have outgrown this system entirely (more officers than the system can accommodate at all) and been given special exceptions to use altered suffix systems.

    This whole thing is becoming a complete mess in which nobody really knows what any particular suffix (except maybe "-10") really means. Dispatchers have more or less just started recognizing any number that's thrown at them as an officer of some kind, with lower numbers outranking higher numbers, and presumably figuring that local authorities will sort it out if somebody oversteps their bounds. This is what happens when you give a fraternal organization called a "County Fire Chief's Association" final say in parts of your county radio procedure. For your own good, don't do this. Ever. Please.

    Hopefully, the plain English version for officers (Chief xx, Assistant xx-1 Assistant xx-2, etc.) will be implemented sometime in the near future, and we'll be rid of this stupidity once and for all.
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    We have a countywide system which numbers each department, 1-99. The apparatus rolling from each department has its name, and the station number, followed by further designation if need be. For example, we have one truck called Ladder 25. Our engines are Engine 251 and Engine 253 (the engines were Engine 1 and Engine 3 before the county system was in place). Our rescue is Rescue 25. Van is Van 25. Chief's car is Car 25A. Asst Chief is Car 25B.

    Plain english makes the job easy. The further distinguishment between units is cake, every dept gets their own system. We say Engine 251. Another company in the county, Station 23, has engines 23-101 and 23-102. Doesn't matter, though, because all we need is an engine from Station 23 or Station 25.

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    In our county each township, city, or district has a series designated. For instance my department is in the 500's. The police also are 500's but use the lower numbers. The fire departments use the higher numbers. Like 560 for the Chief, apparatus start at 561 to 566 at the main station. The lower numbers begin with the main pumpers. Most of the county departments have 1 or 2 pumpers so 563 starts with the tankers. 565 and 566 are the brush rigs. Station 2 has just a tanker/pumper and is designated 573. Officers, other than the Chief start at 559 and goes down the line to members who are assigned radios into the 540's. Each enity follows pretty close to that but it's not exact. Where I am a carreer firefighter we use the old Engine numbering system, Engine 1 from Station 1 and Engine 2 from Station 2. Yet, Ladder 1 and Rescue 1 are assigned to Station 2. Tanker 1 is at Station 1 as well as Brush 4, the old brush truck was Engine 4 for some reason, and the reserve truck Engine 3. Go figure. Now the city between my two departments used to call everything "Trucks" you just had to know which truck was a pumper and which a ladder. Now they designate them with "Engine" or "Truck", the truck now being the Ladder Company. The first three engines are assigned to a station with matching numbers, Engine 1 out of Station 1 so on and so forth. Engines 4 and 5 are the reserve pumpers. They kept the numbers they used in the past so Truck 7 is still the ladder but assigned to Station 2. So I guess in the end it dosen't matter as long as you get an engine, a tanker, a rescue, or a ladder when you need them.
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    Each piece of apparatus designated with its own number around here, with a few small exceptions

    Car 1 (Chief), Marine 1, Medic 1 (Flycar), <---The exceptions
    Engine 2, Rescue 3, Truck 4, Tanker 5, Engine 6, etc...
    Ambulances refered to by Company name and then "ambulance"
    EX: Company A Ambulance to base, we're en route.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RLFD14
    Dave, how does this system handle more than one truck-type from the same station? IE, Engine 2 is the engine at Station 2, so what do you call the 2nd engine from Station 1?
    Stn 1. E1, Truck 1, medic 1, rescue 1.
    Stn 3. E3, Med 3.

    Reserve engines are , E10, E20, E 30, E 40 etc, pretty straight forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JFRindfleisch
    Is there a vehicle numbering system out there that is uniform across the country? Our area is looking at changing the vehicle numbering system and I am looking for some input. It seems that what I have found is there is no uniformity in the way we number our vehicles in the fire service. Thanks
    MABAS Division 8 in northern Illinois uses the following scheme:
    First number (or two if double-digit)=FD
    Second two digits=type of apparatus and apparatus number. Some FDs corrolate apparatus number with the station number

    01-39=engine
    40-49=rescue (squad)
    50-59=truck
    60-69=grass or utility rig
    70-79=tanker/water tender
    80-89=ambulance (although many FDs use this for specific officer identification, such as capt and lt)
    90-99=chief officers

    So,
    8=North Park
    Engine 5 is 805

    5=Cherry Valley
    The truck at station 1 is 551

    14=Northwest Fire
    Tanker 1 is 1471.

    Almost everyone makes the Chief X91...891, 591, 1491, etc.

    The only exception is Rockford, the largest paid dept, which refers to its companies soley by type and number ("Rockford Engine 10").
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    We use a county wide 4 digit MABAS system. The first 2 digits are the county department number. The third is the station number and the fourth is the apparatus type.

    The apparatus are designated as follows:

    1 & 2 Ambulance
    3 & 4 Engines
    6 Commander and Supervisors
    7 Specialty and Brush
    8 Tanker/Tender
    9 Aerial

    I'm not sure about 5.

    So an ambo from station 1 is 1911 with the second out 1912.

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    [QUOTE=FFFRED]Here is a question that might sound dumb but since it appears many of your departments are consolidated or regionalized by area or county...etc. Why not just assign company numbers like this:

    Engine Co. 1 is refered to as Engine 1
    Engine Co. 2 is refered to as Engine 2 ...so on and so forth.

    Ladder Co. 1 is refered to as Ladder 1....etc.

    Battalion Chiefs are Battalion 1,2,3,4...etc

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    What happens if a department operates more than one engine, ladder, etc?
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    In our county, the Sherriff's Office (who is responsible for dispatching) assigns call signs for every unit in the county.

    Iowa uses a numbering system for each county assigned alphabetcially 1-99. In most counties, the SO will assign numbers to their sherriff vehicles using this county number.

    Here, they have expanded it to all emergency services...as does many other counties.

    Dallas County is county number 25, so numbers start at 25-1, for the sherriff, and proceed on. Our ambulances just happen to be assigned 25-91, 25-92, 25-93, and 25-94 respectively. The county I used to work in numbered units similarly, but added the call sign "Adam" for ambulances. For example, one of the units I ran in was assigned "Adam 90" or "Adam 44-90"...44 being the county number for Henry County.

    Fire Departments start at 100, and progress from there. So one town is 25-100 to 25-199, the next town is 25-200 to 25-299...etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by loxfire16
    Quote Originally Posted by FFFRED
    Here is a question that might sound dumb but since it appears many of your departments are consolidated or regionalized by area or county...etc. Why not just assign company numbers like this:

    Engine Co. 1 is refered to as Engine 1
    Engine Co. 2 is refered to as Engine 2 ...so on and so forth.

    Ladder Co. 1 is refered to as Ladder 1....etc.

    Battalion Chiefs are Battalion 1,2,3,4...etc
    What happens if a department operates more than one engine, ladder, etc
    What do you mean...my dept has 200+ Engines and 140+ Ladders...Start at No. 1 and go up from there? Where is the problem?

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    Problem is FFred if you run a lot of mutual aid (automatic or requested) it becomes very confusing to the IC to hear "Kentville Engine 1" and "West Kentville Engine 1" and "...... Engine 1"

    In your situation, that it rarely an issue, but to us in the styx, it's a very common situation. There needs to be an easily identifable system which quickly designates department or company/truck type/truck desgination so that the IC and quickly identify multiple units that may have similiar names.

    One thing that a former department of mine did was they never repeated a number. So we had 4E1, 4E2, 4E3, 4T4 .. etc. So if you only caught the last digit because of a radio clip, you still knew what unit was calling.

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