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    Multiple volunteer departments are called in by a volunteer department working a structure fire. The IC and operations Chief just returned from a department party. Automatic mutual aid coverage was in place.They responded anyway and were first due. IC and Ops were intoxicated, along with several members and the driver of the first due engine. At times the IC was not on the Command post and was not answering the radio. What law is in place to authorize removal of an IC at a fire scene.There we no injuries thankfully just property loss. The area is covered by local police along with a county sheriff, state police are also available.

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    Are you asking for opinions on what should have been done in this case?? If so, this is just my opinion, if you knew all of this was taking place, you have a duty to report this to the proper authorities. How can a person knowing this, not do something about it? What if when the trucks are returning from the call get into an accident and kill someone? Do the right thing even if it means your putting yourself in the crosshairs of the company. Does your company have policies in place so members can force the IC and/or drivers and other members to be removed from the fire ground and tested for drugs and alcohol??
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    Quote Originally Posted by 441903
    Multiple volunteer departments are called in by a volunteer department working a structure fire. The IC and operations Chief just returned from a department party. Automatic mutual aid coverage was in place.They responded anyway and were first due. IC and Ops were intoxicated, along with several members and the driver of the first due engine. At times the IC was not on the Command post and was not answering the radio. What law is in place to authorize removal of an IC at a fire scene.There we no injuries thankfully just property loss. The area is covered by local police along with a county sheriff, state police are also available.
    Here we go again......

    This topic, alcohol, has been debated at length in various other threads. Check em out.

    Our dept - you are terminated if you show up to a incident after drinking

    http://forums.firehouse.com/showthread.php?t=49332

    http://forums.firehouse.com/showthread.php?t=78756

    http://forums.firehouse.com/showthread.php?t=73633
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    mtnfireguy, Thanks for posting the links. You beat me to it.

    Note that the Wyoming tragedy was three years ago this month.

    Report actions like this to whoever you have to to get the situation under control. A "black eye" for having department members taken into custody on the fire ground for being intoxicated is far preferable to having someone injured or killed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rayr49
    Note that the Wyoming tragedy was three years ago this month.
    Thanks for the reminder Ray... in some respects it seems longer than that, and in others... not nearly that long ago
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