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    gotta love yackin about new units ........nice looking rigs ...........Bones got any pics ?>
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    "This thread is being closed as it is off-topic and not related to the fire industry." - Isn't that what the Off Duty forum was for?

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    Another thing to consider is your demographics. What type of streets will this be used on, narrow, windey, access. Here's why, although the E-one's have an short jack spread which is nice in tight spots, you cannon short-jack the truck, which can be done with a Pierce. You can short-jack a Pierce (if you know what you are doing) and still fit it in the same amount of space as an E-one.

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    Post 70' - 75' Midmount

    Why does'nt the " Pierce Fire Apparatus " & " E-One " offer a 75' midmount platform apparatus, they would most likely be a good seller for fire departments that need a smaller truck . The only builders selling 75' midmounts are Aerialscope , Alf , Rosenbauer , Seagrave , Sutphen . Also a 81' is sold by Kme !...
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    I'm coming late to the discussion, but my $.02-worth is to agree with someone earlier who said to keep your options more open. For my money, a Sutphen is hard to beat in a tower ladder. Their SPH100' doesn't leave the bucket hanging down on the street to get hit by traffic or swung into things by an inexperienced driver, and it has a fairly short length for a mid-mount 100' tower of 45'9".

    Granted we don't know much about your dept. If you are running a quint-like general purpose tower-ladder, than the Sutphen (and most mid-mounts) are going to be a little short on space (you'll have to sacrifice in at least one of these categories: compartmentation, water tank, or hosebed). Maybe that's why you've already specified a rear-mount...

    NewJerseyFFII - I agree. A 75', either rear- or mid-mount will accomplish almost all of the tasks of a 100'. I grew up around 1950s & 1960s ALF mid-mount aerials, and I'll always have a strong place in my heart for that lay-out.

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    could you put pierce's 85' RM tower on a single rear axle. I saw boston, and the double axle looked like overkill. I think the 85 is a good bet for people who want a tower, but dont want it to be the size of a large crane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skipatrol8
    could you put pierce's 85' RM tower on a single rear axle. I saw boston, and the double axle looked like overkill. I think the 85 is a good bet for people who want a tower, but dont want it to be the size of a large crane.
    I don't think I've ever seen one. They might do it if you had no pump/tank, the smaller bucket and the chassis and body were aluminum, keeping the weight down. I wouldn't bet on it though, but it would be a fairly compact truck if they could. Even more compact if it were a 4 section ladder rather than the 3 section it is now.

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    In 1968 Warren, Ohio took delivery of an ALF 900 series gas-powered Aero-Chief on a single axle with no pump, no tank, all steel not aluminum and a 90 foot articulating pre-piped boom with platform.

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    I agree with what was already said. Determine the material you prefer 1st. That will narrow down your decision quite nicely. LOL.

    As for E-One quality, it has slipped over the years. But I would still take pick their aerials. Our 95' RM LT has been damn near flawless. 2000GPM pump, 300GWT, 2 crosslays, front bumper trash line, 2 platform monitors, 2 deck guns, etc.
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    You mean like this telephone pole knocker! Does not appear real practical to me! This was 90' Aero-Chief for Syracuse NY. Go to the web site and read history of this particular unit. Not Good!

    There is a web site devoted to the history of the Aero-Chief at www.aerochief.com
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    AS to practicality the Warren, Ohio rig never amounted to much....It served as a regular in-service unit for a very limited time. Then it was put on special-call only. At its decomissioning in 1992 it had a mere 3700 miles on its odometer.

    In neighboring Youngstown , Ohio their similar but NOT identical unit was front-line till the late 1980s when it was severely damaged at a fire. The rig was rebuilt by ALF as a 100ft rear-mount /quint { having been an Aero-Chief quint previously] and was in service till it was decommissioned and sold for $100,000 to a smaller Pennsylavnia dept. and the money received used to obtain 2 new Pierce Dashes each at $130,000 back in February 1987.

    The Niles, Ohio Aero-Chief remained on the roster till it was replaced by a Lance Tower-quint with all-steer option.
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