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    Default Battle of the program trucks

    We are looking at a new front line truck and this is going to be our first custom cab purchase. We have narrowed it down to the E-One Typhoon or the Pierce Contender. Has anyone experienced any problems with either truck? Is there and advantage to one over the other in your opinion? Both trucks seem similar to us but we are looking from input from people that has had experience with either one. Thanks.

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    firesq615 - While the department I am on does not have either The Typhoon or The Contender I have had the opportunity to work around both and can say they both seem to be a decent truck for what they are (limited option low end custom fire apparatus).

    What I will tell you is this, It does not matter if E-One, Pierce, Ferrara, Seagrave, ALF or another smaller builder assembled the truck the all use the same parts (Cummins, Cat and Detroit motors, Waterous, Hale and Darley pumps, Allison transmissions, Etc.). What WILL matter in the long run is the service you get from the dealer / service center. I would go to all the departments your area that you can and ask the person that handles the maintenance of the trucks about their experience will the local dealers / service centers and see if there is a pattern of exceptional or terrible service from any of them. The last thing you want to have happen is to get a truck and them not be able to get it repaired in a timely manner because the dealer is more interested in sell new trucks than taking care of the ones they already have sold.

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    Our nieghboring department has a Pierce Contender, they are happy with its proformance. District821 hit the nail on the head, the appratus dealer is the over looked factor in buying appratus of any brand. It doesn't matter what you buy if every time you have a problem you can't get service. Several fire companies in my area have to take their appratus back to the factory for service because their dealer doesn't offer it.
    The other thing that is overlooked is good inspections during construction. If the guys going on the inspection are more interested in sampleing the local suds then inspecting the appratus they shouldn't be sent on an inspection trip. You need to show up prepared with your spec, a tape measure, flashlights, etc. Go over everything line by line if something is not correct make notes. On our last engine we spent over ten hours going over appratus top to bottom. We spent the same amout of time doing the post paint on our quint that was also on the line. When we found stuff that was missing or wrong we made sure it got fixed and we didn't accept the appratus till it was fixed and matched our spec.

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    We looked at both the E-One Tradition and Pierce Contender trucks. Both seemed functional.

    The Contender had more options to choose from than the E-One.

    We ended up going with HME/AhrensFox it had more options than the program trucks.

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    We looked at the Contender, the Tradition Series and ended up going with the Shield series from Sutphen. Reason's being 1) Dealer support. 2) Bigger Powertrain for same money 3) Better body construction through "our" inspections. Just remember to get what you need! If you don't, you'll be sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireRescue43
    The other thing that is overlooked is good inspections during construction. If the guys going on the inspection are more interested in sampleing the local suds then inspecting the appratus they shouldn't be sent on an inspection trip. You need to show up prepared with your spec, a tape measure, flashlights, etc. Go over everything line by line if something is not correct make notes. On our last engine we spent over ten hours going over appratus top to bottom. We spent the same amout of time doing the post paint on our quint that was also on the line. When we found stuff that was missing or wrong we made sure it got fixed and we didn't accept the appratus till it was fixed and matched our spec.
    I couldn't agree with you more on that right there, I think there is a few people out there that try to get away with trying not to put things on that you probably wouldn't notice without really paying attention and making sure it's there and right. I have also seen sales people try to get away with not trying to get something on the truck b/c it would be too much of a hassle for them to write it in on the work order and spec it out, have heard that one a few times, and you talk to the engineers at the plant and they say it could be easily done, so be careful on the sales people trying to talk you out of something that you should need/ have on your new rig.

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    Default contender or typhoon two headaches of the same kind

    Quote Originally Posted by firersq615
    We are looking at a new front line truck and this is going to be our first custom cab purchase. We have narrowed it down to the E-One Typhoon or the Pierce Contender. Has anyone experienced any problems with either truck? Is there and advantage to one over the other in your opinion? Both trucks seem similar to us but we are looking from input from people that has had experience with either one. Thanks.
    Yfd in Youngstown ,OH leased 2 Contenders from the Bradenton works of Pierce-Oshkosh 2002 and then Liberty Township a Typhoon which town is north and adjacent to Youngstown. Both had serious troubles. Both were unhappy.
    Pierce Appleton placated YFD with additional years' worth of warranty and E-one ; well the All-American dealership jumped ship and went with a foreign power.
    Liberty will not be going E-one again. YFD will be going Pierce soon on 2 new pumpers probabaly Sabers to steer clear of Bradenton.

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    firsq615: We purchased a pierce contender in 2005 on a commercial chassis. we use it as our rescue pumper it is very well equiped and has preformed very well with little or no problems. We have two other Pierce's that were built in appleton a 1988 dash and a 1994 saber the contender was built in bradenton and we are very pleased with the quality and cant really tell the difference between the two. If you want to see it you may access the below link to our web page and check under rescue 235 it has pictures. At the time we were under a limted budget and we got more truck than we expected.

    www.westovervfd.com

    hope this helps...

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