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    Sutphen makes a nice solution for those who like top mounts but want a side mount.
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    I'm not so sure Sutphen builds these bodies... Precision Fire has done a few of this style of panel on Sutphen chassis.

    http://www.precisionfireapparatus.com/newdel.html

    Is this a true Sutphen body? I'm curious.

    **EDIT. It must be a Sutphen body, it IS on their site after all. My apologies...**
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    got the pic off of the sutphen website in the delivery section.

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    I prefer top mount pumpers, but that is all i have really ever worked around. The only side mount Aparatus our dept. has is our quint, and our '77 LaFrance. Top mounts are traditionally longer, ( our newest pumper is only 2 feet shorter than our quint ) but most of our streets are pretty navigable, aside from a few tight cul-de-sac's.

    Here are a couple pics of our pride & joy. 2005 Crimson Star series, on a Spartan Gladiator chassis. She is a beast, but we love our new girl.

    http://www.crimson-fire.com/crimson/...DeliveryID=393






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    That is freaking enourmous in the pump compartment. Kinda reminds me of those semi trucks that you see with a 3 BR house in the sleeper area

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    Quote Originally Posted by 275fbvfd
    Here are a couple pics of our pride & joy. 2005 Crimson Star series, on a Spartan Gladiator chassis. She is a beast, but we love our new girl.
    We feel the same way about ours!
    We're not spliting rocket hairs here people!

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    This is a tough choice for so many reasons. We've always used side mounts historically. That has alot to do with the fact that they've only become popular in the 80's and 90's.

    Our KME was ordered with a top mount after much debate about highway safety, scene visibility. But since I live on the same block as the station...I drive/operate most of the time...and I now really prefer side mount.

    Our particular unit does not have that much of a visibility advantage over sidemounts as the hosebed, lights, deck gun and cab block most everything anyway. You can see straight out the sides which may or may not be advantageous at some scenes. Plus you have to climb, climb and then climb some more. Our operators multi-task around the truck slightly and eventually you get tired of climbing, jumping, slipping, etc. Its not that bad...but it gets a little old.

    Our 2005 Ferrara is a sidemount per my request (demands). I like it much better and find my job easier when I'm on the ground near the compartments, valves, intakes, generator etc. Plus...I can take shelter under the highside doors when its pouring down rain. That is a plus in my book. Furthermore...the savings in wheelbase is significant in some pump build configurations. Builders like to put pumps in a two car garage these days. I will give KME credit for making our QMAX 1500's pump housing rather small...wheras Ferrara's QMAX 1250's is longer than necessary for maintenance.
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    I like Precision's idea:


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    Hopkinton is a hop and a skip way fron the Casa de Gonz....

    Farrar Fire Trucks went out of business in the early 1980's.

    Blanchard Associates/E.J. Murphy bought the property from Farrar and was a Pierce dealer for a while.

    When Blanchard Associates lost the Pierce dealership, E.J. Murphy continued on doing refurbs and building brush breakers.

    They have recently become a KME dealer.
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    General Fire Apparatus made a side mount/top mount deal like Precisions years ago but nobody seemed to notice, that I could tell. It was on a custom cab demo truck at the 1996 FDIC in Indianapolis. I actually still have the color brochure from General Fire Apparatus.
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    I don't think topmounts are really a great idea, for all of the reasons stated previously (climb & slip, lots of up & down, lengthened wheelbase, etc), and I am actually a rear-mount fan (front mounts are still good for drafting pumper applications).

    However, I don't think that any pump - side, top, or rear - puts you in a good place in traffic. That's why we put a secondary governor head and front discharge controls on the doghouse between the driver and officer on our new rear-mount:

    Apparatus pulls up on scene of a [car fire - let's say], sets the pump, tank-to-pump is stored open, CAFS comes on automatically, bumper turret knocks down the heavy body of fire before anybody exits the cab, driver opens the front discharge valve, a firefighter pulls a 1 3/4" pre-connect off the front bumper (one of two 200' 1 3/4" CAFS lines on the bumper) and yanks open the spigot on the water thief & goes to work.

    This way most of the work is done before leaving the safety of the cab, the engineer can place himself where ever he likes after exiting, we get all the advantages of a rear-mount, plus the engineer can monitor and control engine pressure from inside the cab if he's stuck as the supply pumper on a cold winter night - best of all worlds!

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    Blitzfiresolo - good idea!

    The one thing where Precision's raised side mount comes in handy is on a unit that has an elevated master stream, like a Snozzle, Squirt, or Strong-Arm, because it keeps the engineer from being in contact w/ the ground in a compact, assured way.

    The other thing good about it is that it is definitely out of traffic, just like a top-mount, but without the extra 18" of unit length.

    Rear mounts have significant advantages too, but if a dept. runs much in traffic - say, a car fire on the interstate - I'd rather have a different place for my engineer. Those cab controls you came up with are a great idea, or a top-mount, elevated side mount, or front-mount are the other alternatives.

    With all the emphasis on using the front bumper for lines these days, there is some competition for space, but think about how easy of a layout/build for the plumbing if you combine a front-mount pump w/ bumper-located pre-connects and soft-suction! The manufacturer would only have to run the tank-to-pump line, a foam concentrate line, and, if equipped, a rear intake line! Vitually no plumbing behind the front bumper!!

    Precision's elevated side mount almost does it all: keeps engineer out of traffic, keeps him off the ground if you have an aerial master stream device (it also keeps the engineer from banging his head on the boom, if you're not using the aerial device, as happens on mid-mounts), gives him a good view of the fireground, allows shorter wheelbase than a mid-mount.

    About the only thing it doesn't do, is give him a cozy warm/dry place in bad weather. Your cab-controls idea gives you all of that plus the warm/dry place.

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