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    Question Returning a Lemon?

    Has anyone had their department return a truck to its manufacturer because it was a lemon? I was wondering if it ever happened. No BS... real stuff here. Any facts, accounts, or news articles would be helpful.

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    Talk to Philadelphia Fire Dept. about two ladder towers.

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    L3Truckee,

    Are you refering to Keeping Mechanics Employeed??

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    I believe Natick, Mass returned (Pierce agreed to buy back) their All-Steer Pierce aerial. Replaced it with a E-One.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chiefengineer11
    Talk to Philadelphia Fire Dept. about two ladder towers.
    Rumors from within the Philadelphia Fire Dept, say that the two KME tower ladders were to large to drive down narrow streets and had a very tuff time making turns with all the parked cars near corners. They are using ALF Tractor Drawn Aerials in phily at this time !...I believe one of the Kme towers had a wiring problem and was returned back to Kme .
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    I think that there's a bit more to it than that. I'd rather any details come from someone whose knowledge base is more fact based than mine.

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    say it with me .........Northwood mini pumper.......KME unit
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    Quote Originally Posted by chiefengineer11
    Talk to Philadelphia Fire Dept. about two ladder towers.
    No one from the City of Philadelphia will speak about it, due to ongoing litigation!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Weruj1
    say it with me .........Northwood mini pumper.......KME unit
    LOL .
    Where is mini-me btw? I havent seen anything from him in a while?

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    in 1933 FDNY rejected 2 HI-pressure units from ALF. ONe went to Youngstown, OH in 1937 and the other to Ithaca, NY.

    Cincinnati, Oh rejected 4 pumpers from a firm that was obsorbed later into Crimson for not fitting into the fire houses.

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    Here's one.

    http://www.pekintimes.com/articles/2...news/news2.txt

    Pekin, Illinois.

    Just happened last week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k1500chevy97
    LOL .
    Where is mini-me btw? I havent seen anything from him in a while?
    He still lurks around here every now and then.......
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    Does the lemon law apply to a fire truck? does a manufacture have to buy it back if it is been repaired for so many days?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ledebuhr1
    Does the lemon law apply to a fire truck? does a manufacture have to buy it back if it is been repaired for so many days?
    Nope............ Doesn't apply..........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Weruj1
    say it with me .........Northwood mini pumper.......KME unit

    A bit late on this one but what the hell..........Northwood Mini Pumper....806 from HELL! lol
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    Lemon laws vary from state to state. Some states may cover commercial vehicles or public safety vehicles, while others may not.

    Here is a great site for all the information you'll need to get started. Ultimately, your best bet is obviously to hire an attorney.

    http://autopedia.com/html/HotLinks_Lemon2.html

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    in 1933 FDNY rejected 2 HI-pressure units from ALF. ONe went to Youngstown, OH in 1937 and the other to Ithaca, NY.
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    Reg 7475: FDNY / Type 315 CCHP / 1932 / Not accepted / Youngstown Reg 7752
    Reg 7476: FDNY / Type 315 CCHP / 1932 / Not accepted / Ithaca Reg 7754


    Reg 7752: Youngstown / Type 315 CCHP / 1936 / Later scrapped
    Reg 7754: Ithaca / Type 315 CCHP / 1937 / as of 1995 owned by Ted Carson in PA.
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    Thumbs down Out of service pumper

    Our 2005 kme custom pumper has been out of service for over one and a half months now , due to a " Cummins " engine recall with the piston doing damage to the motor. We can not blame kme for this problem !....It's a 400 HP ISL motor with less than 1000 miles on her !...
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    Default This is interesting...

    Check out the story on the UFA page.

    http://ufalocal94.org/news_stories/c..._04_19_06.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hehateme
    Here's one.

    http://www.pekintimes.com/articles/2...news/news2.txt

    Pekin, Illinois.

    Just happened last week.
    Since it costs $ to look at that article now, I'll just add that it was an Alexis, and it was out of the house for repairs more than it was in the house. It has been replaced by the 15 yr. old Pierce the Alexis had originally replaced, leaving the PFD w/ no reserve pumper for the time being.

    I've seen a few folks here vehemently defend the small manufacturers, and while I know that anyone can make a lemon from time-to-time, I must say that since the 1950s, Pekin Fire Dept.'s experience seems to be that the big manufacturers are better. PFD had a fleet of ALFs for 25+ years, then experimented for a short time, before settling on an almost all-Pierce fleet starting in the 1980s. The one truck from the late 70's to early 80s that has survived is an E-One Quint from the early 80s that was re-furbed a few years ago and is still going strong. (PFD had a set of twin FMC pumpers in the late 70s that were TOUGH-looking trucks. I kind-of miss those, just from their rough-looks making them sexy trucks...)

    While some of the medium-small manufacturers have very interesting/innovative ideas, and seemingly reasonable construction, there's just something to be said for buying from one of the big-boys...

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    The City of Maple Hts, Ohio returned a Pierce Quantum a few years ago because of numerous problems with the truck.
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    Anyone know if there is a time period of which you'd have to return a truck under the lemon law?

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    DDay: the law varies from state to state . Check with your state attny generals office. usually they will be able to assist you with all the details and requirements. They will have final authority over the claim if that is how it works out. sometimes the fact that you have made contact with the AG's office will get the manufacturer to sit down and make it right.

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    If I remember correctly, at least in Ohio, there is now true "lemon law" for commercial vehicles........
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