Cutter Evaluation

[cutaboverest]

you keep cutting hinges and talking about alot easier then popin door but how much do the blades cost ......for a new set and why cut a hinge when all you need to do is remove the patient make no sense the blades for a hurst cuurt cost almost a 1000.00 dollars a set whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy waist time and money ,,,,,just pop the nater and push door out of way

[hrtrescue10]

Man, do you read this post often. Have you been in a cave.
Read the forums about side impact bags, side curtains, etc.
We quit dragging folks out of doors about 10 years ago.
And, most brands, have blades way more than capable of cutting hinges easily.

[cutaboverest]

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[hrtrescue10]

Just make sure you read the whole report, including comments by the "judges". The results don't match the individual reviews. That is why Congress is now investigating the program.
All of their tests were very subjective, and not in anyway scientific. I was present for a few of the "tests" and even the members were skeptical.

Why spend all that taxpayer money to do something individual departments can do, and to try and re create things NFPA has already done.

That was a chunk of OUR AFG money wasted.

[shrek85tsvfd]

Amkus and Genesis have the same coupling, same hose, same pressure, and the same fluid. I f you want to upgrade your cutters look at the Genesis tools, the cutters start at 90,000 lbs where amkus stops at 72,000. The Genesis C231 cutter has 231,000 lbs cutting and the highest NFPA rating of any cutter. Later.

[hrtrescue10]

Back to the beginning though, don't mix brands. Too many grants out there, be patient, get some money together, and buy a new set. If you like the Genesis, buy it, but don't fall into "you can mix them" hole.

[crashfire]

There are many options on the market for tools. I personally prefer Genesis. After much testing and evaluating my department chose Genesis. I agree you have to put the tools in your hand to test "apples for apples". NFPA numbers are a great tool to compare, due to third party testing (UL or TUV)publishing the performance results. The manufacture posts the "calculated" cutting force. The only way to test performance is to put the tools in your hand. Another thing I loved about genesis is they fed my department NO BULL about facts. The rep they sent out was very knowledgeable and eager to educate us on any questions we had. Never once did he bash any other brand tool. I've sat through a ton of demo's of multiple pieces of equipment and i must say I was impressed.

[MetalMedic]

Ok, I finally got my hands on the Champion BEAST tool this past weekend and I must say that I am impressed. The thing cut through everything we put in its 11 inch mouth and didn't even grunt! Sheet metal, hinges, steering columns (not that I would ever want to cut one, but if I wanted to, the tool didn't care). The integrity of the blades was not damaged.. they looked just like they did when we started except for the usual scratches you expect.

Champion prides themselves for being compatible with any other brand and this tool is just as impressive when you convert it to a spreader. I am still a "Phoenix" guy since that is what I use most at my own department, but if I were in the market for buying a new tool or tools, the BEAST would be something I would want to serioiusly consider looking at. The company is making some changes and I understand that their upper management people will be at FDIC this year. If anyone is going to the conference, you might want to make it a point to stop by at that booth to see what they have to show you.

[GhettoBatt1]

Thank you metal medic...I'm sure your employer, Champion, will be happy you posted this thread for them....this is so funny.

[GFD940]

"Thank you metal medic...I'm sure your employer, Champion, will be happy you posted this thread for them....this is so funny."

Hey Richard, congrats on the new job! Just kidding, I happen to have met Richard and he is not a salesman. If he was, he would probably be the first to admit that his department uses a competitors tool.

[MetalMedic]

Thank you metal medic...I'm sure your employer, Champion, will be happy you posted this thread for them....this is so funny.

My employer happens to be The Ohio State University, and I am sure they could care less about "Champion" (especially after the trouble they have had with getting one the past few months).

I still like using Phoenix Tools and my department has updated their Phoenix equipment recently, so if I worked for a competitor, I would be out of a job for sure. As for posting threads about anyone, I have also posted positive comments on this forum about Genesis, Amkus, Holmotro and even Hurst tools... I have never received a penny from any of them (but maybe I should ask???).

Before you laugh off a new concept, you need to give it a try and then come back and tell us what your opinion is of it.

[MetalMedic]

Hey Richard, congrats on the new job! Just kidding, I happen to have met Richard and he is not a salesman. If he was, he would probably be the first to admit that his department uses a competitors tool. [/QUOTE]

If you have met me, then you know I would have a hard time selling camp stoves to Eskimos! Frankly, I am not a big fan of the sales business and have spent much of my professional life trying to cut through sales crap in order to see a product for what it really is.

Do I know you??? Send me an e-mail sometime!

[dday05]

Before you laugh off a new concept, you need to give it a try and then come back and tell us what your opinion is of it.

Whats the fun it that? As I've said before I feel the most important tool when it comes to rescue tool operations is the actual operator.

[Rescue101]

Medic,no wonder you have problems selling stuff.You're supposed to sell ICE not stoves to eskimos.Whaddi gotta do,teach you everything?Hehe T.C.

[ChampionGuy]

Ok, I finally got my hands on the Champion BEAST tool this past weekend and I must say that I am impressed. The thing cut through everything we put in its 11 inch mouth and didn't even grunt! Sheet metal, hinges, steering columns (not that I would ever want to cut one, but if I wanted to, the tool didn't care). The integrity of the blades was not damaged.. they looked just like they did when we started except for the usual scratches you expect.

Champion prides themselves for being compatible with any other brand and this tool is just as impressive when you convert it to a spreader. I am still a "Phoenix" guy since that is what I use most at my own department, but if I were in the market for buying a new tool or tools, the BEAST would be something I would want to serioiusly consider looking at. The company is making some changes and I understand that their upper management people will be at FDIC this year. If anyone is going to the conference, you might want to make it a point to stop by at that booth to see what they have to show you.

Thanks for the kind words Metal...sorry you got some backlash from your posting. If anyone ever wants to confirm if someone works for Champion or not, feel free to contact me. I had posted on these message boards before that as a company, we will not knowingly post sales oriented information or propaganda about our company. I have instructed all of our dealers and reps to refrain from this type of activity.

These forums provide an important information sharing function, and do not need to be clouded by self-promotion of those with a commerical interest in this industry.

We appreciate all feedback, good or bad - as it makes our products better.

I will be at the FDIC show from the 19th - 21st if anyone wants to come by and say "Hi" and offer feedback directly. I would enjoy meeting all of you.

Thank you,
Alan Discount
President
Champion Rescue Tools

[shickf2]

genesis cutters would be the best choice to work with your amkus, Highest cutting strength on the market and if you would happen to break a blade cutting a hinge genesis will replace the blades.

[KAPNKRNCH]

Check out the ResQtec G6 cutter, it has the highest cutting force on the market, and will work with 10,500 systems.

www.resqtec.com

No I am not a salesman, just someone who has tested these tools in a head to head evaluation, and found them to be the best that we tested.