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    I am planning on trying to get my degree in Fire Science. I have found two online colleges who offer it... Columbia Southern University and University of Maryland University College. Does anyone know anything about these colleges? Do they offer degrees and give college credit. I need 30 college credit in something to join FDNY and saw this as my best route due to my schedule. Please let me know asap. My email adress is posted below. Thank you

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    check out these existing discussion threads:

    http://forums.firehouse.com/showthread.php?t=82214
    from that thread:
    . . .the University of Maryland University College offers a Degrees at a Distance BS in Fire Science Management. They are one of seven colleges or universities that offer the program that was developed by the National Fire Academy.

    Here is the link:
    http://www.usfa.fema.gov/training/n...grams/distance/

    There are other programs. FDNY is raising the minimum requirements for promotional exams, requiring bachelor degrees for battalion chief candidates. When I was at Fort Totten last month for an American Council on Education review of FDNY courses, some of the guys said that they are taking classes at Thomas Edison State College (NJ): http://www.tesc.edu/prospective/und...egree/bsast.php

    I have assembled an overview of most of the colleges and universities that offer a bachelor "fire science" degree, check out this link:

    http://home.gwu.edu/~mikeward/Overv...20de grees.htm


    This thread: http://forums.firehouse.com/showthread.php?t=80997
    from that thread:
    TWO YEAR COMMUNITY COLLEGE FIRE SCIENCE PROGRAMS

    Associate of Applied Science (AAS) degrees are designed for a student to complete in PREPARATION for a career in a craft or trade (hospitality, allied medical technicians, mechanic, computer technician, business office skills, realtor, etc.) In general, completing an AAS in Fire Science DOES NOT increase your chances of getting hired.

    AAS degrees are considered terminal degrees Ė that means they are NOT designed to prepare you to progress to a bachelor degree.

    Here are some online community college fire science programs:

    University of Cinncinati: http://www.uc.edu/programs/viewprog.asp?progid=2557

    Pikes Peak Community College: http://www.ppcc.edu/Academics/Departments/FireScience/

    Chemeketa Community College:
    http://online.chemeketa.edu/degrees...tes/default.asp

    Keiser College:
    http://www.keisercollege.edu/fpf/


    As always, please check with FDNY to make sure you comply with their requirements. Not all college "credits" are acceptable.
    Last edited by MikeWard; 06-18-2006 at 03:27 PM.

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    Another route to go is through the National Fire Academy's Degrees at a Distance Program. There is information about it at: http://www.usfa.dhs.gov/training/nfa...rams/distance/ . Colleges are assigned regions, so depending on where you live, you will deal with a particular college. The college for your state is listed at the above website. I finished my Bachelor's through the University of Cincinnati in this program and was very pleased.

    Almost of my credits from my AAS at a local tech college (in a different state) were transferred towards my BS degree. That is not always the case so be careful but it is very possible.
    Last edited by Standpipe; 06-19-2006 at 08:01 PM. Reason: Reread an earlier post

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    so if i get a BA in fire science from umuc, will it be accepted by the fdny as an accepted college credit and degree?

    Quote Originally Posted by Standpipe
    Another route to go is through the National Fire Academy's Degrees at a Distance Program. There is information about it at: http://www.usfa.dhs.gov/training/nfa...rams/distance/ . Colleges are assigned regions, so depending on where you live, you will deal with a particular college. The college for your state is listed at the above website. I finished my Bachelor's through the University of Cincinnati in this program and was very pleased.

    Almost of my credits from my AAS at a local tech college (in a different state) were transferred towards my BS degree. That is not always the case so be careful but it is very possible.

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    Default Credits and degrees

    Degrees-at-a-Distance (the National Fire Academy sponsored program.)

    If you are in New York or New England, Empire State is the nearest of the Degrees-at-a-Distance programs to you:

    http://www.esc.edu/esconline/across_...s?opendocument

    ALL of the Degrees-at-a-Distance programs require you to have about 60 semester hours of transfer credit from a community college or equivalent.

    Credits hours vs. degrees

    Semester hours are the way a college or university keeps track of a student's academic progress (and the size of the tuition bill.)

    It takes about 120 - 130 semester hours of credit to obtain a bachelor degree.

    It takes about 60 semester hours of credit to obtain an associate degree.

    Let's go to the source of your questions, from the NYC website -

    FDNY job announcement:
    Have 30 college credits or 2 years of satisfactory military service

    FDNY FAQ:
    Does the 30 college credits have to be in any special area of study?

    Answer: No. Any accredited college courses are acceptable: they can be courses in math, social studies, fire science, cooking or physical education,etc. The only college credits that will be acceptable for meeting the college credit requirements are those credits obtained from an agency, institution, school or college accredited by the U.S. Department of Education.

    Can you get extra credit for courses in the field of Fire Science, Police Science or emergency medicine?

    Answer: No. We do not give extra credit for specialized courses.
    Last edited by MikeWard; 06-22-2006 at 04:32 PM.

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    Samuel:

    On another post I see that you just graduated from high school. *MY* opinion is that you do the military, as scottdasch suggested on this thread:

    http://forums.firehouse.com/showthre...386#post689386

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    I don't want anyone to think I'm anti-military by this post because that is absolutely not true, but depending on where you want to work the military can be a detriment (staying in the guard specifically) to getting hired. I don't work in your neighborhood so I can't say, but our FD has been hit hard by call ups. The city has done everything that is legal to discourage guard participation such as taking away "double-dipping", reducing pension benefits, etc. while members are on active duty. Illegal? Yes and it is being addressed but it is something to consider.

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    Well right now i live in WV so id be using UMUC online college, right? or would i use NY's since ill be moving there when i turn 21? so FDNY should accept it as college since its accredited correct?

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeWard
    Degrees-at-a-Distance (the National Fire Academy sponsored program.)

    If you are in New York or New England, Empire State is the nearest of the Degrees-at-a-Distance programs to you:

    http://www.esc.edu/esconline/across_...s?opendocument

    ALL of the Degrees-at-a-Distance programs require you to have about 60 semester hours of transfer credit from a community college or equivalent.

    Credits hours vs. degrees

    Semester hours are the way a college or university keeps track of a student's academic progress (and the size of the tuition bill.)

    It takes about 120 - 130 semester hours of credit to obtain a bachelor degree.

    It takes about 60 semester hours of credit to obtain an associate degree.

    Let's go to the source of your questions, from the NYC website -

    FDNY job announcement:
    Have 30 college credits or 2 years of satisfactory military service

    FDNY FAQ:
    Does the 30 college credits have to be in any special area of study?

    Answer: No. Any accredited college courses are acceptable: they can be courses in math, social studies, fire science, cooking or physical education,etc. The only college credits that will be acceptable for meeting the college credit requirements are those credits obtained from an agency, institution, school or college accredited by the U.S. Department of Education.

    Can you get extra credit for courses in the field of Fire Science, Police Science or emergency medicine?

    Answer: No. We do not give extra credit for specialized courses.

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    Samuel:

    1) UMUC is the Fire Science program you should enroll in - stay in this program even after your move to NY.
    http://www.umuc.edu/prog/ugp/majors/fscn.shtml

    2) Please note that University College is "designed to meet the needs of adult, part-time students."
    http://www.umuc.edu/studserv/ugp_ss/ugpapply.html

    You should attend either on on campus or on-line open house
    http://www.umuc.edu/events/openhouse/openhouse.shtml

    3) It appears that you can start as a UMUC freshman and complete your degree completely online.

    4) UMUC meets the FDNY definition of an "accredited college"

    Good luck.
    Last edited by MikeWard; 06-24-2006 at 03:02 PM.

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    Default 100% online AAS degree dual enrollment with FSU's BS in fire

    Hello every one,
    I am a full time instructor @ FTCC, Fayettville Tech Community College. Our fire protection tech degree is all online & it is dual enrollment with Fayettville State University and there B.S. fire science online program. This situation is different in that you can enroll in both colleges and take fire admin.101, at FTCC and advanced fire admin 362 at FSU during the same semester.
    Here is FTCC's website: http://www.faytechcc.edu and FSU is: http://www.uncfsu.edu/

    Good luck!

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