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    A officer on my dept has made the statement that our tower ladder should NOT respond on runs to a office complex in our town that consists of several bldgs ranging from 5 to 8 stories. He claims that there is NO use for a ladder truck at a office building, that only engine companies should respond.

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    well here our ladder company is responsible for forcible entry and ventilation. You may need that at high rise.
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    I'm guessing he never had to make a ladder rescue above 35'?
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    Forcible entry..search of fire floor..search of floor above..removal of victoms..ventilation..control of utilities..control of elevator..ground ladders for fire on 2nd, 3rd, 4th floor..tower for fires on 4th,5th,6th,7th floors..search for the seat of the fire in heavy smoke instead of dragging a line back and forth around cubicles..RIT crew..extra manpower to help fight the fire and staged for relief....the list goes on..he needs to expand his horizon.

    ...or fought a fire in a high rise Bones
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    If thats the general concensus of your department, then why did they waste taxpayer dollars to purchase it?

    I am guessing that this is one persons opinion who will not open his eyes to its capabilities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BHFF22
    A officer on my dept has made the statement that our tower ladder should NOT respond on runs to a office complex in our town that consists of several bldgs ranging from 5 to 8 stories. He claims that there is NO use for a ladder truck at a office building, that only engine companies should respond.
    What the frack!?

    Manpower is manpower...it doesn't matter if they are hose jockeys or knuckle dragging truckies

    Stay far away from this so called "officer"... he doesn't know jacksquat and will get someone killed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MemphisE34a
    If thats the general concensus of your department, then why did they waste taxpayer dollars to purchase it?

    I am guessing that this is one persons opinion who will not open his eyes to its capabilities.
    My guess is they had to purchase this truck because of insurance ratings, the problem is in the past 3 years the Dept has made huge progress in becoming a more progresive thinking dept, but there are still a few officers that for some reason think like this. He dosent beleive in preplaning either

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    Quote Originally Posted by BHFF22
    My guess is they had to purchase this truck because of insurance ratings, the problem is in the past 3 years the Dept has made huge progress in becoming a more progresive thinking dept, but there are still a few officers that for some reason think like this. He dosent beleive in preplaning either
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    Clearly this man is an ignorant fool who is a disgrace as a fire officer. Avoid him and his absurd reasoning(whatever it may be).

    I suppose he as a wealth of experience with fires in 4-8 story office buildings? Also do your Engines have portable ladders that reach 100ft?

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    I'm guessing he's an "Officer" on an Engine Company. Of course, I wouldn't consider him much of an officer at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BHFF22
    A officer on my dept has made the statement that our tower ladder should NOT respond on runs to a office complex in our town that consists of several bldgs ranging from 5 to 8 stories. He claims that there is NO use for a ladder truck at a office building, that only engine companies should respond.

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    I think I know his cousins, they think ladder companies are only built FOR tall buildings and there is no need for them at anything under 35' tall. Ladder companies aren't all about the aerial, as the other guys said with vent, search, etc, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fireman4949
    He's an idiot!

    I agree. Keep the ladder, get rid of the officer.
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    This has to be a joke, or maybe the truck should just go to car fires so the guys can ride the bucket to the car and use the master stream to.

    Ask this guy, next time it comes up, what alarms the truck should make?

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    Making statements like that makes you wonder what type of tactic & strategy decisions he makes on the fire grounds. He's still inside the box not thinking outside of the box. RETIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!.

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    Not having a tower crew on a multiple story, commercial box is like wiping you butt before you poop. It just don't make sence.

    The first alarm assignment for this box should have two truck companies.

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    Not having a tower crew on a multiple story, commercial box is like wiping you butt before you poop. It just don't make sence.

    The first alarm assignment for this box should have two truck companies.
    ABSOLUTELY!! It's a rare thing for me to criticize another Officer without knowing all the circumstances, but, if this is really the story, then it's time to thank this individual for his years of service as you accept his retirement papers. This is regardless of his wishes. I would also think that your department would reap very large benefits from REQUIRING certain training levels as a prerequsite for filling a position. We require National Pro Board Fire Officer I Certification for Captains and FO II for Chiefs at this time, but I expect to see it go up another notch in the future. As to those who complain that it takes too much time to take these courses, I am a Volunteer with a full time job and a family, but I have attained eleven Pro Board Certs, including FO IV, Instructor III and HazMat Tech. Full Time career Firefighters and Officers should not have a problem doing this, IF THE DEPARTMENT WANTS IT.
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    i am curious to see why he thinks the ladder is better holding the apparatus room floor down then at the scene? just for an arguement. he must have been dropped on the delivery room floor when he came out huh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcfd45
    he must have been dropped on the delivery room floor when he came out huh.
    I'll bet his mother drank and smoked with him in the womb too!

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    No ladders for a high-rise box? Hell, we send an additional ladder above our routine box assignment.
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    O come on now. My mother drank and smoke while I was in the womb, lol, and I still say the officer has some problems.

    Just for the record, I don't believe my mother did those things, but I guess you never know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BHFF22
    A officer on my dept has made the statement that our tower ladder should NOT respond on runs to a office complex in our town that consists of several bldgs ranging from 5 to 8 stories. He claims that there is NO use for a ladder truck at a office building, that only engine companies should respond.
    Let me pick this apart a bit.

    Highrise: >100'
    Lowrise: <100'
    75' Tower ladder effective range: about 70'
    5-8 stories building: 50-90'
    100' Aerial effective reach 10-12 stories/90'

    Do with yoou like with the above information to make a case. Then explain to me if your Truck Company only drives the apparatus to the scene or do they perform other functions. I know many departments do not utilize "Truck Company" operations beyond the set up of an aerial device. The VES is handled by the Engine companies who operate much like our Squads do.

    Even if that is the case. An area with the tallest buildings being only 5-8 stories should never consider excluding the use of an aerial device.

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    The problem is simple and then the officer will be correct. Do not build any building over three stories. Or better yet let the buildings that are over that height burn to a point that you can then control them without the use of the aerial.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnson8
    O come on now. My mother drank and smoke while I was in the womb, lol, and I still say the officer has some problems.

    Just for the record, I don't believe my mother did those things, but I guess you never know.
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