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    Due to the hi-cost of gas now days, some FD's are changing they way they respond to calls. Some dont leave the station unless theres a call. Some FD's are not doing medical calls. And some have cut back on the # of units they roll on alarms.

    How has the hi-cost of fuel effected your FD's, and has your dept had to cut back any to pay for fuel......

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    No effect here....we allotted more of our budget for fuel this year than previously, but we have not curtailed our driving...in fact, calls are up, so we're probably driving more miles than we have before, if anything....
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    When you become a firefighter do you need your CDL License to drive the Firetrucks??? thanks

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    We purchase our fuel from the school district. They buy it on state bid so we end up saving a ton of money. I would say that this year we are more aware about the cost of letting the apparatus idle for long periods of time. So far it hasn't had any negative effect on our responses.

    In New York State, you do not need a CDL to drive any of the apparatus but it is definitely a positive if you have one already.
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    Any citation of which departments have altered their response policies???

    Sorry, but a few bucks worth of fuel is a really weak excuse for things like dropping response to medical calls -- you probably save more in oxygen and medical disposables then you do in fuel.

    Asking people to be cognizant and not doing as much "joy riding" driver training / truck checks, or leaving trucks idling while washing, and other non-operational cost trimming I can see.

    Further, probably the most common fiscal year starts July 1, so hopefully you're on the new budget with the higher fuel costs built in already.

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    In the world of guitars, GAS has long been an acronym for Gear Acquisition Syndrome. Even at $3.00, gasoline is cheaper than guitars. Not as much fun to play with, but cheaper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenacres2
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    In Texas, if I recall correctly, you only need a CDL if the fire truck weighs over a certain amount.

    We haven't changed anything here. We just try to use the fuel card that gives us a discount on the bill.
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    No CDL to drive here, i drive an engine and a heavy rescue and those are the only trucks that size I have ever driven. We do have to go through a training program though and test out before we can drive the vehicle to calls. I have a question, have any departments used or experimented with biodiesel? The search and rescue team I run have thrown around the idea that if we end up getting a vehicle we are going to try to get a diesel vehicle and run biodiesel in it. This is a university team and the school is really enviromentally friendly so it will also assist us with getting the money to buy the vehicle.

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    Where would you get the biodiesel from? I saw a show on one of the discovery channels about it. The guy made it in his barn. They said that the exhaust smelled like the mexican restaurant they got the grease from. We all know that there is no shortage of fast food grease in this country!
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    You'll get a slight mileage drop, about 10% for B100 v. No. 1 Diesel. That's probably not a big concern for search & rescue work...if you had a forestry rig on an extended operation that's a bigger issue. It's seldom you'll see a Class A pumper going for 10 hours plus...but it does happen from time to time in my area that fuel trucks have to be called in, and B100 gives you that much less of a safety margin.

    My biggest concern which might be a manageable one is cold weather performance. Would suck to park the truck for 12 hours on a zero degree day and have it gel up on you.

    B20 you shouldn't see a noticeable mileage reduction, nor gelling.

    Personally, I wouldn't run B100 in an emergency vehicle until we get another 5 or 10 years of experience under the belt and have worked out any potential problems to the point where John Doe off the street really doesn't have to think about it.

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    Where would you get the biodiesel from?

    http://www.biodiesel.org/buyingbiodi...lfuelingsites/

    There are starting to be petroleum distributors around the country that will blend it for customers / retailers.

    They're using predominantly Biodiesel made from virgin oils, not the recycled restaurant stuff.

    Bio can't fully replace dino petroleum supplies, at least not without using far too much land far too intensively...but they can make a big contribution and help stabilize prices -- figure we're producing 35% of our own oil today (yes folks, one of the world's biggest oil producers...is the U.S.), if you can add another 20% from alcohol & biodiesel that brings us up to 55% domestically produced & controlled.

    If on top of that you implement conservation & efficiency measures long term to reduce consumption by 10-20% now you're talking about a major swing -- if we replaced 20% of today's total consumption with bio fuels and reduced overall consumption by 20%...we'd be looking at 69% of our fuel needs being generated domestically. Might take 10 years to get there, but it's certainly not impractical or undoable.
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    I'll agree. I know of no one that has modified their responses due to fuel costs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chadf652
    When you become a firefighter do you need your CDL License to drive the Firetrucks??? thanks

    -Chad-

    Well I believe that in NJ for regular firetrucks, no CDL is required. Just have to be 18. Now if you have a tractor tanker. You are allowed to drive it to a firecall and back without a CDL, but if you are doing something that is non-emergency, like taking it to a shop or parade, you must have a CDL.

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    Oh and about the fuel thing, our city pays for our gas, so we can careless.

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    We have not curtailed any driving due to fuel prices. We used to keep the engines in the house all the time and just get them out for calls, but that went out with the last Chief. I don't have any empirical evidence to back this up, but it seems like we're having fewer mechanical problems with the increased use (going to the store, out buying supplies, etc.)

    We have been running biodiesel with no ill effects for at least seven years. Our supplier sells B2 to B20 depending on weather and other factors. For a good tutorial on biodiesel - including homebrew bio from waste cooking oil - look it up on wikipedia. There are some off-site links there that are good as well.

    As a side note, pay attention to the homebrew stuff because it's something you might bump into on a garage fire sometime. I'm not suggesting we all become experts, BTW, just a matter of awareness.
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    Chad, CDL requirements change state to state and in some cases (Fairfax Co) county to county. FX has been granted a waiver of requirement for FD personnel when driving FD vehicles only. In most places a CDL requirement is based on either maximum vehicle weight or the number of axels on the unit. You'll have to check with your specific department to get the "correct" answer.

    As for gas.... not my problem, but we are funded by the county for that, so I don't think there will be much problem.
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    To the original question - no runs have been curtailed due to fuel cost.

    Quote Originally Posted by MalahatTwo7
    Chad, CDL requirements change state to state and in some cases (Fairfax Co) county to county. FX has been granted a waiver of requirement for FD personnel when driving FD vehicles only.
    Hey Malahat - I'm curious (and this is in no way a jab at you) but who is their waiver from and why / how is it specific to FX county?
    The Code of VA. already (partially) exempts Emergency Vehicles from being defined as a "Commercial motor vehicle" therefore making us as operators exempt from the normal CDL requirements anyway.

    The following shall be excluded from the definition of commercial motor vehicle: any vehicle when used by an individual solely for his own personal purposes, such as personal recreational activities; or any vehicle which (i) is controlled and operated by a farmer, whether or not it is owned by the farmer, and which is used exclusively for farm use, as defined in 46.2-698, (ii) is used to transport either agricultural products, farm machinery or farm supplies to or from a farm, (iii) is not used in the operation of a common or contract motor carrier, and (iv) is used within 150 miles of the farmer's farm; or any vehicle operated for military purposes by (a) active duty military personnel, (b) members of the military reserves, (c) members of the national guard on active duty, including personnel on full-time national guard duty, personnel on part-time national guard training, and national guard military technicians (civilians who are required to wear military uniforms), but not U.S. Reserve technicians, and (d) active duty U.S. Coast Guard personnel; or emergency equipment operated by a member of a firefighting, rescue, or emergency entity in the performance of his official duties.
    from 46.2-341.4. Definitions.
    http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...cod+46.2-341.4

    I say partially because of the "in the performance of his official duties" portion. Depending on the lawyer & judge - making a run to the grocery store or to/from the repair shop may or may not fall under the blanket of "official duties" - therefore you may technically need a CDL in VA - however the likelihood of this ever becoming a problem (unless you were doing something else dumb / reckless / or otherwise just plain wrong) is pretty much nil.
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    That was how it was explained to us during my EVOC trg. Privately it made no sense to me.... but then a lot of things that FX Co does makes no sense.
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    We are from an oil and natural gas community so the high price of gas has increased out budgets 3fold.



    The next logical conclusion is that it has increased the budgetsof middle east terrorists 10 fold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MalahatTwo7
    That was how it was explained to us during my EVOC trg. Privately it made no sense to me.... but then a lot of things that FX Co does makes no sense.
    Ahhh - Gotcha - makes much more better sense that way.

    I couldn't for the life of me figure out who they would be getting a waiver from.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NYSmokey
    Where would you get the biodiesel from? I saw a show on one of the discovery channels about it. The guy made it in his barn. They said that the exhaust smelled like the mexican restaurant they got the grease from. We all know that there is no shortage of fast food grease in this country!
    I saw that episode--convinced me not to try a biodiesel conversion. You just about have to be a chemist to brew the fuel. I was truly impressed with the effort he put forth to refine the used oil.
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    There was a Mythbusters Episode using used, strained Kitchen oil in a desiel truck. It didn't get quite the mileage of diesel, but considering they got it for free it seemed like a good deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NYSmokey
    Where would you get the biodiesel from? I saw a show on one of the discovery channels about it. The guy made it in his barn. They said that the exhaust smelled like the mexican restaurant they got the grease from. We all know that there is no shortage of fast food grease in this country!
    My Mechanic says that Fast Food Type Fuel will lead to your 8V71 Detroit getting Colon Cancer. He also says that Colon Cancer is not covered under GM's warranty......... Since he only works on real Diesels, he doesn't know about Cummins, Ford, or IH.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hwoods
    My Mechanic says that Fast Food Type Fuel will lead to your 8V71 Detroit getting Colon Cancer. He also says that Colon Cancer is not covered under GM's warranty......... Since he only works on real Diesels, he doesn't know about Cummins, Ford, or IH.
    I think your mechanic is confused....he meant to say that Fast Food Grease gave him Colon Cancer! A friend of mine runs the bio stuff in his Chevy - after one week he had to replace the top filter as the Bio gave his truck an enima. After that it ran fine - he still uses it with no problems. Its just as expensive as the regular stuff here however.

    Oh...and I would put my 05' 3500 Dodge Cummins up against any ol GM or Ford any day!
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