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    I have looked around and haven't been able to find very much so I am wondering if anybody knows of a grant for generators. To be more specific a generator big enough to handle a fire station. I know that USDA has some grants for station improvements but my city only qualifies for around 15% of funding of total cost, but just like every other small town we have a small budget too.

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    Well don't spend any $ on a generator. DOD surplus has an enless supply. They have been getting rid of ALL gasoline powered equipment (which includes many gensets0 and All the diesel models built before the early 90s.

    Program is FEPP (thru your state forester). For my dept and a couple others in the area I've sourced.

    All diesels
    3kw 125hr
    5kw 151hr
    5kw 153hr
    10kw 350hr
    200kw 18hr

    These are military ratings which are at 80% Powerfactor, civilian rating would be much higher. A couple required cleaning the fuel systems out and away they went.

    I've seen available up to 1500kw. Have you figured out what your load is? Essential/survival load vs nice to have (may vary winter vs summer)? 1ph or 3ph

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    neiowa and I continue to stress to agencies that FEPP is a very UNDER UTILIZED program. Guys this is equipment that costs you "0", nada, nothing. Why waste your meager budget dollars on equipment that you can get for free and then spend a little puttiing it back into tip-top shape.We got four 30KW several years ago and then hired a local National Guard power generation specialist to go through them and build us three that were in good shape. Total cost to our agency , less than $1000. including the costs to go get them and bring them 100 miles to our station house. We set a contract with the National Guard guy to come once a month and do the routine PM on them for $50.00 per month. End result; city hall, FD, PD,city water plant and all sewer lift station in our city can now function without outside power assistance during any hurricane.Something that came in quite handy during 2004 with Charley, Jeanne and Frances hitting us within 60 days of each other.

    Generators are eligible to be funded under AFG in the building modifications catagory but, why go that route when you can do it for "0", and not have to wait for 18 months to let AFG run its cycle.
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    Does anyone have any contact information for the FEPP program? Specifically, for Illinois?

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    Try this link for state contacts:

    http://www.fs.fed.us/fire/partners/f..._vfa_mgrs.html

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    Many utility companies routinely rotate their units out due to increased equipment being placed at their locations. Local telephone companies are always increasing call handling and broadband equipment, and they keep replacing generators.

    Don't forget, the generator is the cheap part. The switchgear to start it and change from utility to backup is what costs some bucks. And don't forget to go bigger than you need to make sure you pick up everything in the building including climate controls, not just radios, lights, and garage door openers. You want something that will last through renovations and expansions. Dad was (retired last week) an electrician installing this stuff for the last 20 years. I paid attention.

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    Thanks guys. Hey Kurt, my department is going to put in for a TIC in new CEDAP grant. If u could give me some ideas for a narrative or any other grants I would be greatful. My email is cserini@hotmail.com

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    Question question for neiowa

    neiowa,

    I want to thank you and the other "experts" on the forums here for sharing your knowledge of the opportunities out there. I've learned a huge amount in a short period of time already.

    I checked out the FEPP web site and sent an e-mail to the NYS POC. The FEPP web site seemed to direct me to the GSAxcess web site for the available equipment. I didn't see anything there like you had described (generators, buildings, etc.).

    Is it just a matter of checking that out religiously or are there other lists out there that apply to FEPP. Our state's POC is out on vacation until early August, so I figured I'd pose the question to you, if you don't mind.

    We've got a request into our POC for some stuff in the HDER program, I've been fortunate in the AFG so far (3 for 5) and I'm waiting to try my luck with the CEDAP in the next phase. Yourself, Kurt and Brian to name a few are most kind to pass along your success stories.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottm207
    neiowa,

    I want to thank you and the other "experts" on the forums here for sharing your knowledge of the opportunities out there. I've learned a huge amount in a short period of time already.

    I checked out the FEPP web site and sent an e-mail to the NYS POC. The FEPP web site seemed to direct me to the GSAxcess web site for the available equipment. I didn't see anything there like you had described (generators, buildings, etc.).

    Is it just a matter of checking that out religiously or are there other lists out there that apply to FEPP. Our state's POC is out on vacation until early August, so I figured I'd pose the question to you, if you don't mind.

    We've got a request into our POC for some stuff in the HDER program, I've been fortunate in the AFG so far (3 for 5) and I'm waiting to try my luck with the CEDAP in the next phase. Yourself, Kurt and Brian to name a few are most kind to pass along your success stories.
    Your state forester (assuming they actually use the system) have password access to the DOD (and GSA) systems to "freeze" and request DOD or GSA surplus equipment. Without password access you can't see anything in the GSA system.

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    If you go to this website you will able to access (view) items at GSAxcess. It will provide a login and password that you can use to enter the site.

    http://www.fs.fed.us/fire/partners/fepp/GSAXcess.html

    Talk about deja vous, the representitve for the state forester arrived late PM yesterday and hand delivered a new MOA to fill out and return. Talk about service.

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    Bugle--your timing is perfect. Our haz-mat team was discussing a trailer acquisition last night. Thanks for the link!!
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    I just checked....NJ has 0 generators.
    "This thread is being closed as it is off-topic and not related to the fire industry." - Isn't that what the Off Duty forum was for?

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    We have a military trailer that we use to store/transport bulk hazmat supplies such as pads, booms, speedy dry etc. The members built a plywood box, with doors on the side, to enclose the trailer. It does the job.

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    That's exactly the conversation we had last night.
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    Very very little of the DOD surplus is listed on GSAxcess.

    If NJ has no DOD surplus generators its because NJ forester has not bothered to request (and transport/pickup generators).

    DRMS is a bit slow at present as they just closed 2/3 of their surplus yards and have not figured out how their new "improved" system is going to work. None the less, as I type this there are more than 150 gas or diesel gensets available working thru the 3 status categories right now. All sizes from 2kw to 200kw (some are 28V DC). Typically, every 2 weeks, some 30-50 gensets work thru to the status level where a state forester can request/acquire them.

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    Ok, so to have a chance at any of this stuff, our State Forest service has to request it?
    "This thread is being closed as it is off-topic and not related to the fire industry." - Isn't that what the Off Duty forum was for?

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