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    Default Name a valve for me.

    Hey guys,

    Really Dumb question, but I'm drawing a blank today, and apparently my salesman can't name this part either.

    What is the proper name of the valve that you place on the steamer port of the hydrant, that allows a second engine to attach later and boost pressure to the first engine without interupting the established supply line.

    It has two inlets, and 2 outlets, and normally looks like a cross. I called it a relay manifold, but I know that's not the correct term.
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    Hydrant valve.

    I was gonna say, "Bill."
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    Default Four-Way Hydrant Valve

    We are in a rural area and only see these in trainings

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    Hydrant valve.
    I'm not talking about a simple gate valve, but the valve with four connections, and the one-way clappers inside.

    Is it just a "hydrant valve"?
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    I believe its called a Humat Valve or 4 Way Hydrant Valve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlcooke3
    I believe its called a Humat Valve or 4 Way Hydrant Valve.
    I think that's the one.

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    AKA a boat anchor.

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    We call them Dividers over here
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    Around here they are known as:

    Hydrant
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    Quote Originally Posted by onebugle
    Around here they are known as:

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    Yup...Same here

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    Humat, thats the one.
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    Humat valve We have 2 of them
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    Humats. Have'm? Yep. Use'm? Nope...

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    We have a Mobile Pressure Controlling Manifold with multiple discharge Valves that we Hook up to hydrants. All Supply lines are hooked up to this device, NOT directly to the Hydrant. Works great for us. What??..... Huh??..... Proper name for the Mobile Pressure Cont...........?? Oh, We just call it an Engine Company.


    Seriously, We put an Engine on the Hydrant, EVERY TIME. We do NOT connect hose directly to the Hydrant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hwoods

    Seriously, We put an Engine on the Hydrant, EVERY TIME. We do NOT connect hose directly to the Hydrant.
    How do you spin the Engine onto the hydrant and how many of you does it take? Guess you have a lot of guys nicknamed "Tiny" on the job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hwoods
    Seriously, We put an Engine on the Hydrant, EVERY TIME. We do NOT connect hose directly to the Hydrant.

    Well, we wouldn't need to much of the time, as usually stage within 100 feet of the hydrant almost anywhere in our village. Occasionally however, we might only get one engine out the door quickly, with the second 5-10 minutes behind.

    In longer lays off a single source, I was thinking that it might be useful to allow for an MA engine or second due to relay without disturbing our supply line.

    General thoughts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcaldwell
    In longer lays off a single source, I was thinking that it might be useful to allow for an MA engine or second due to relay without disturbing our supply line.

    General thoughts?
    Yes. Go with that thought
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    Quote Originally Posted by NYSmokey
    Yes. Go with that thought
    Tom is Correct. Just because you have a wait for your next Engine, your need for immediate Water doesn't change. What works for me, (lots of Engines, fairly close together) will not work for everyone. Another County, not far from us, uses the Humat Valve. Quite often, apparatus from our county will respond to that area, (auto aid, and a "Closest Apparatus no matter who" attitude) and find the line laid out, but not charged. They often take the Humat off the line before hooking up.
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    I know a company that uses a Humat valve every time they hit a hydrant. In my 23 years, I can think of only 3 or 4 times that anyone else has actually hooked up to it as a second engine.

    We don't carry one. We did some flow testing with our hydrants and found it was simply not worth it. The added gain was negligible in our situation.
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    I don't remember the department name but they do a reverse lay 9 times out of 10. In my FFII class we watched a video of them stripping the engine of everything before tearing down the street looking for the hydrant. they had it in about25 ticks and they left a manifold nd started laying hose out. Kinda a different way of doing things.
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    Quite often, apparatus from our county will respond to that area, (auto aid, and a "Closest Apparatus no matter who" attitude) and find the line laid out, but not charged.
    Well that is a difference here, we NEVER lay a line without leaving an attendant to charge it. Unless we know the 2nd due is in the rear-view mirror, then we might assign them to connect. Water supply is definitely a priority.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bones42
    We don't carry one. We did some flow testing with our hydrants and found it was simply not worth it. The added gain was negligible in our situation.
    That is what I was thinking too, but it is not so much just for flow as pressure compensation. We would likely never lay more than 1000-1500 feet of 4", but since we are in the mountains, it could easily be up a hill with 50-100 feet of vertical drop.

    I don't remember the department name but they do a reverse lay 9 times out of 10. In my FFII class we watched a video of them stripping the engine of everything before tearing down the street looking for the hydrant. they had it in about25 ticks and they left a manifold nd started laying hose out. Kinda a different way of doing things.
    We have thought about that too, and do so in some areas with long hydrant spacing, but I would rather take the 1000 gallons on the truck and get to work. Plus, I prefer to keep my gear and comms close. Radio coverage with portables can be sketchy at the edge of our district, and the mobiles must be used by command for MA and dispatch comms.


    The last thought was that with a small 2 1/2 engine dept, and MA 30 minutes away, if we ever had to disconnect the second engine for any reason, the humat would allow us to do so and still maintain flow (even if decreased). I would certainly not use it every time, but when you wanted it...

    But I could just be over thinking it.
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    Mcaldwell, are you talking about a valve we call a "water thief"? If it is the one Roughrider has pictured it is intended to boost available water taken from a hydrant. Basically, it allows you to go below thw 20psi static that commonly is taught.

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    If the title of the thread is "Name a valve for me"..

    We'll call it the MCaldwell valve!

    We use the hydrant assist valv on out 4" LDH supply lines. We have a section of our fair city that is notorious for having low water pressure ( A hydrant with 35 psi is considered an excellent one in the area) If we need to goose the pressure, no problem..the next engine can do it for us. We also have the Z valves that can be used to boost the pressure if necessary for very long hoselays.
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    That's the doohickey thing whatchamajigg deal!!

    Actually I have heard "Humat" or "Hydrant Humet"
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