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    I was visiting another thread about Class A Foam and decided to start my own thread in hopes to receive more information about who does and who doesn't use CAFS.

    As a female Firefighter I have discovered the many advantages that CAFS provides for me. I do not have the upper body strength to man-handle a charged water hose even if it has Class A concentrate added to it. The CAFS foam filled fire hose is 20 times lighter in weight (check the reports), and is 20 times more effective in extinguishing fires. I am able to be the nozzleman and not have to worry about the fatigue that I have felt using a charged water hose. I can handle the CAFS 1.75 inch fire hose with one hand. No.. I' am not a gorilla lady. In fact, I've even had enough energy left to help with demobilization and getting the truck back into service.

    As a mother and homeowner, CAFS foam means more property & lives saved, as well as reduces my homeowners insurance premium. Not to mention that it reduces the amount of water that is used and wasted on an initial attack. I have read in reports that only 10% of the water applied to a fire actually extinguishes fire. Where the same report claims CAFS is 90% efficient.

    Water is becoming more of a precious commodity, period. We all know that wasting water is serious and just because we may have an abundant amount of fire hydrants does not give us the excuse to abuse our water resources. Letís make the water more effective by using a CAFS system and Class A foam, and use only what we need. I enjoy my bubble bath and a drink from my nice cool glass of uncontaminated water.

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    We can do a better job with CAFS!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireGurl06
    I was visiting another thread about Class A Foam and decided to start my own thread in hopes to receive more information about who does and who doesn't use CAFS.

    As a female Firefighter I have discovered the many advantages that CAFS provides for me. I do not have the upper body strength to man-handle a charged water hose even if it has Class A concentrate added to it. The CAFS foam filled fire hose is 20 times lighter in weight (check the reports), and is 20 times more effective in extinguishing fires. I am able to be the nozzleman and not have to worry about the fatigue that I have felt using a charged water hose. I can handle the CAFS 1.75 inch fire hose with one hand. No.. I' am not a gorilla lady. In fact, I've even had enough energy left to help with demobilization and getting the truck back into service.

    As a mother and homeowner, CAFS foam means more property & lives saved, as well as reduces my homeowners insurance premium. Not to mention that it reduces the amount of water that is used and wasted on an initial attack. I have read in reports that only 10% of the water applied to a fire actually extinguishes fire. Where the same report claims CAFS is 90% efficient.

    Water is becoming more of a precious commodity, period. We all know that wasting water is serious and just because we may have an abundant amount of fire hydrants does not give us the excuse to abuse our water resources. Letís make the water more effective by using a CAFS system and Class A foam, and use only what we need. I enjoy my bubble bath and a drink from my nice cool glass of uncontaminated water.

    Women Firefighters of America rise up! Let's change the mens archaic water system.. The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world.

    We can do a better job with CAFS!

    Thank you.

    So if you cant operate a normal hoseline, how can you pull a victim out of a burning apt.? Or more importantly, pulling another FF out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireGurl06
    The CAFS foam filled fire hose is 20 times lighter in weight (check the reports), and is 20 times more effective in extinguishing fires.

    As a mother and homeowner, CAFS foam means more property & lives saved, not to mention that it reduces the amount of water that is used and wasted on an initial attack. I have read in reports that only 10% of the water applied to a fire actually extinguishes fire. Where the same report claims CAFS is 90% efficient.

    Women Firefighters of America rise up! Let's change the mens archaic water system.. The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world.

    We can do a better job with CAFS!

    Thank you.
    Wow that's a pretty sexist post Firegurl! We try and tread the right side of the line in these matters Get ready for a rough ride in this thread!

    Your statements are totally unsubstantiated and appear as if they are taken from manufacturer's 'hype' marketing brochures! I have never seen such brash claims made about CAFS in any recognised scientific research reports and would suggest you might want to take a closer look at the reality of CAFS.

    However, there may be major benefits of CAFS in comparison to water for interior fire attack and we are undertaking some extensive scientific testing against large fires in this respect here in the UK later this year, following some initial operational experience that demonstrated success.
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    If you can't handle an 1-3/4" line, why (and how) did you ever become a firefighter? I weigh about 280 lbs. in full gear...What happens if I go down?!

    There are certain "basic" minimums that every firefighter must be able to do. Handling a charged hand line is obviously one of them!




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    Quote Originally Posted by FireGurl06
    As a mother and homeowner, CAFS foam means more property & lives saved, as well as reduces my homeowners insurance premium.
    I'm a father and a homeowner, but do not see that as relevant as to claims of property and lives saved. Do you have any citations on homeowner insurance reductions based on an FD using CAFS?
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    Let me explain in better detail my handling of the hose. With a charged hose, it is heavy and cumbersome. I need my back-up, just like all of you guys out there. With a CAFS hose, I CAN handle it by myself.

    I do have great strength, and I do know my limitations as a woman. CAFS lets me have the EXTRA energy, so I CAN finish the job. It's a choice. I do not have the manly strength, and I cannot carry a 280 pound man on my shoulders, but I can drag his hairy butt to safety. I also know protocol that you never go into a structure fire alone.. so I would not be alone. In my experience, I am not under the stress that is caused by lugging around a heavy water hose. It is reported that more firefighters die from exertion than from burns. I prefer not to be one of those statistics. I choose CAFS. In any given situation when I can only have a water hose, I use it well.

    Do YOU use CAFS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireGurl06
    In fact, I've even had enough energy left to help with demobilization and getting the truck back into service.
    I'm sorry, but the Fire Service is about teamwork and working together through the crap jobs and the good jobs. In my opinion, if you get off that truck to do the good job (putting out the fire) you should be prepared to work with the rest of the crew to do the crap job (repacking hose, etc.). Saying, "I'm too tired" doesn't cut it.. do you think you're the only one that's tired out there?

    In the words of one of my previous captains (to MEN and WOMEN).. "If you can't hack it, take your jacket, and don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya."
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    Another thing how do you handle the hose when your backup has to get a bottle change and there is no one else to come in and back you up?

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