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    I am interested to see photos of rigs with compartments on the sides of the cabs behind the drivers and officers seats where the window usually is (Seagrave is common for these as well a E-one and some Spratans I've seen have them). Most of the specs ive seen dont show the dimensions or the interior views of these types of compartments. If you have them, what do you use them for? We are considering drivers turnout gear in one and EMS equip in the other.

    Do you prefer the roll up door or hinged door on these types of cabinets?

    How do you lay out the cab interior (seating and interior tool storage) if you have these compartments?

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    I dont think you want one on each side, otherwise your cab will be tiny. I'd put an ems cabinent on the officers side. roll ups would be better, just a preference.

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    You'd be better off putting an EMS cabinet in between the forward facing seats in the cab, easier access and they can also be larger.

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    Spartan's EMS compartments in the side are 17"W x 43"H x 23"D. I believe you can get them with both interior and exterior access.

    The major disadvantage is that they do take up a seating position. However, that may not matter to you depending on how many firefighters you run on your engines. If you do run more than 4 you are probably better off streching your cab and putting two outboard forward facing seats with an EMS compartment in the center as others have suggested. You would need to put a roll up door or cargo netting on it so you can secure its contents per NFPA.

    You would then free up the space of the EMS compartments that are shown in the picture allowing you to fill that space with rear facing seats.
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    We are most likely looking at no more than 6 seating positions. We want street level access to the EMS Equipment, rather than having it in the cab.

    Thanks for the info so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MG3610
    I am interested to see photos of rigs with compartments on the sides of the cabs behind the drivers and officers seats where the window usually is (Seagrave is common for these as well a E-one and some Spratans I've seen have them). Most of the specs ive seen dont show the dimensions or the interior views of these types of compartments. If you have them, what do you use them for? We are considering drivers turnout gear in one and EMS equip in the other.

    Do you prefer the roll up door or hinged door on these types of cabinets?

    How do you lay out the cab interior (seating and interior tool storage) if you have these compartments?
    I'll bring my camera next shift and get you some pics of our units.




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    Thanks, thats a huge help!

    If you can get some perspectives of the interior cab layout with the compartments it would be most helpful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MG3610
    Thanks, thats a huge help!

    If you can get some perspectives of the interior cab layout with the compartments it would be most helpful.
    Will do!




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    We thought about doing what you want on our truck and were told if we did a compt on the outside we would have to give up the air ride cab optionso we opted not to do it. Anyway we put a nice size ems cab in the back, infront of the seat behind the driver. And a place for a refridgerator behind the officer seat and 3 seats along the backof the cab by the ems cabinet.We run ems and have a squad so we pretty much have the ems compt for our people incase something happens, and placing the cabinet where we did was incase we had a situation in the day time and we needed our rehab unit but it did'nt respond the person could work out of the seat behind the driver and work out of the cabinet and rehab people that are sitting on the back row of seats. Thats what made most sense to us so we did it that way.Our truck seats 6 people and I would put a pic of the inside of the cab but I'm not very good with computers,I just know how to push the buttons.BE SAFE

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    We have two Engines in production right now on Spartan chassis with that option. The purpose is for driver and officer turn-out gear, etc. We went with the box pan door because you can mount items on the door like flashlights in chargers and such.The dimensions mentioned earlier are correct. We run two to three crew in the back. One facing rearward and the other two facing forward.

    Here's some pics of ours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VanIsleEVT
    We have two Engines in production right now on Spartan chassis with that option. The purpose is for driver and officer turn-out gear, etc. We went with the box pan door because you can mount items on the door like flashlights in chargers and such.The dimensions mentioned earlier are correct. We run two to three crew in the back. One facing rearward and the other two facing forward.

    Here's some pics of ours.
    Thats exactly what I was looking for....can you email the full size pictures to me at e33_m@yahoo.com I would appreciate it

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    I have many variations of this. We run a extended cab with 15" raised roof unit with rear facing seats (2). In the middle is a full height cabinet with roll up door for all the books, hazmat stuff and paper reference material...with electric in it also!!! But on the bottom portion the officer side is open to the side (curb side) where we keep EMS equipment..so all you have to do is reach in and pull it out..no door / netting since it opens to the curb side. Works for us.

    I have also seen forward facing seat with storage of ropes / rigging under the bench. Great idea for storing this type of seldom used equipment. If you can dream it they will build it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VanIsleEVT
    We have two Engines in production right now on Spartan chassis with that option. The purpose is for driver and officer turn-out gear, etc. We went with the box pan door because you can mount items on the door like flashlights in chargers and such.The dimensions mentioned earlier are correct. We run two to three crew in the back. One facing rearward and the other two facing forward.

    Here's some pics of ours.

    WOW...that's a tight fit for the rear facing guy. And it sure takes away from communications between the front and the back, not to mention visibility.

    Here's a question. What does that do to the Crash Test worthiness of the cab? Did Spartan have the cab RE-Tested after cutting out a large portion of the sidewalls of the cab? I doubt it - but I don't know.....Curious.

    On that same train of thought, has the centre mounted rear facing seat been seat belt pull tested? I wonder how safe that seat is mounted on top of the doghouse?

    Just thoughts.

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    I prefer the extended cab with the compartments behind the cab... transverse storage is also an option here.

    example:
    http://www.eastlakefirerescue.com/s57comp.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Resq14
    I prefer the extended cab with the compartments behind the cab... transverse storage is also an option here.

    example:
    http://www.eastlakefirerescue.com/s57comp.htm

    Yes, it can affect wheelbase and overall length unless compensated for in some other way.

    That looks like a pretty well thought out truck....holy power tools.... That's the first time I've seen a tall compartment like that behind the rear crew door as well...

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    Quote Originally Posted by canuck1
    WOW...that's a tight fit for the rear facing guy. And it sure takes away from communications between the front and the back, not to mention visibility.

    Here's a question. What does that do to the Crash Test worthiness of the cab? Did Spartan have the cab RE-Tested after cutting out a large portion of the sidewalls of the cab? I doubt it - but I don't know.....Curious.

    On that same train of thought, has the centre mounted rear facing seat been seat belt pull tested? I wonder how safe that seat is mounted on top of the doghouse?

    Just thoughts.
    The firefighter in the rear facing seat actually has a lot of room on both sides of them. The seat is mounted on the same seat rise that all rear facing center seats are mounted too so I'm sure it's safe.

    As far as the crash test goes, I don't think Spartan would let an unsafe cab out of their facility. There engineers wouldn't allow it.

    This configuration does take away some visibility. However, it's kind of hard to put the compartments behind the cab doors when you have a bustle back.

    Without a bustle back, I do agree that the way to go would be to put the compartments behind the crew doors.

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    VanIsle - I saw the twins up at General this past week, I wish I would have taken time to look inside the cabs now that I see your photos. Quite the rainbow up there with your yellow, some forest green, Dade's lime, our solid red unit, a blue and white Spartan chassis, and some black over red...

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    canuck1,

    Yes, the cab still retains it's crash rating. A side from the box pan doors that we spec'd on these compartments, this is a common option on a Spartan chassis so it's all been engineered.
    Yes you do loose some visibility, but how much forward visibilty do you have when that area is normally occupied by a seat and your sitting facing rearward? I'd say none.
    Communication is via a Sigtronics intercom system, still to be installed.
    Yes the seat/seat box is sled tested. Spartan wouldn't let anything out the door without covering their a**. The rear facing guy has more room then if you have four seats in a row either facing rearward or forward.

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    npfd801,

    I have plenty of more pics of the interior or anything else if you want me to email them to you.
    I wont see them again until October, but can't wait. They must be lonely parked out the back awaiting their bodies and pumps.
    Do you get there often?

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    We'll be up there towards the end of the month to do the final inspection on a new engine. Shoot me a PM with an e-mail. I'd like to ask some more stuff about your new rigs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VanIsleEVT
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    Yes, the cab still retains it's crash rating. A side from the box pan doors that we spec'd on these compartments, this is a common option on a Spartan chassis so it's all been engineered.
    Yes you do loose some visibility, but how much forward visibilty do you have when that area is normally occupied by a seat and your sitting facing rearward? I'd say none.
    Communication is via a Sigtronics intercom system, still to be installed.
    Yes the seat/seat box is sled tested. Spartan wouldn't let anything out the door without covering their a**. The rear facing guy has more room then if you have four seats in a row either facing rearward or forward.
    "engineered" and "passing a Crash Test" are two different things. Show me the certification letter.

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    EMS compartments in place of the rear-facing seats is a good option - rear facing jump seats are an out-dated option, anyway.

    If you have an EMFD or longer cab and only need seating for 5 (4 in SCBAs), I would recommend putting in full-height compartments in place of the rear-facing jump seats, and installing three forward facing SCBA seats, evenly spaced across the back wall.

    This gives you even more elbow room than if you only had two on the back wall, all forward facing seating, generous EMS compartments, and open visual communication & accountability between front and back. Intercom systems are good, but they don't replace an officer being able to glance back and make visual contact with his crew.

    If you are doing inside-outside access, there isn't really a good way to have both inside and outside access with roll-up doors. I would opt for the roll-ups inside, since space inside is tight as it is. Also, hinge the exterior door on the forward side for the driver and the rear side for the officer, so it is less likely to block their view of traffic passing the apparatus.


    If you like the rear wall cabinet idea, I would recommend installing two cabinets outboard of the two forward-facing seats on the rear wall, with outside access as Resq14 illustrated, rather than putting in a center-mounted compartment.

    Some Spartans with rear-wall inside-outside access:
    http://www.southtrailfire.org/pages/apparatus.html

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