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    Default Any paid volunteers here?

    Just as the title says, im just curious to see if there are any and what your wage is like... Im just getting started in it...

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    Nope...no such thing as a paid volunteer. You are either paid, or not. Even if you are paid on call, that is still different than being a volunteer

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    Our department pays us $8.00 per call. We do tend to call ourselves "volunteers", as opposed to our two "paid" firefighters who make a monthly salary and work their regular shifts at the station... we could argue the semantics of "volunteer" all day, I suppose. I freely give a lot of my time to the department every week, our payment is sporadic (I honestly don't remember the last time I got paid!) and under the table, and when we do get handed an envelope of green stuff it's good for going to a dinner with our respective sweeties perhaps... not something we count on for paying our rent or bills. When I joined, I didn't know any money was involved at all - the first time I got money I was very surprised. I still think of the money as an occasional "thank you gift" for volunteering, not as a paycheck.

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    When I was a member of a different department we were POC, but were expected to volunteer our time for drill, training meetrings, ETC..........

    We were ONLY paid for the responses.
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    Our town and RM consider us a Volunteer Dept.
    We get paid $15.00/hr for active calls only.
    Meetings, PR events like standby at the demo derby, cancelled calls, time spent on maintenance, paperwork, are all free.

    If people want to pay me for the most dangerous aspect of the job when I am performing it I am ok with that. I would do this job anyway but the tiny amount of money I make doesn't hurt my feelings.
    I tend to spend the vast majority of my time with the dept. working for free as we are not a busy station.
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    POC (classified by the state as a vollie). Approx. 10+ dollars an hour. More for officers and elected positions. Less for Jrs. and Probationary Firefighters. Paid for all calls that trucks respond to. If we are cancelled almost instantly we are not paid. But, if the base radio signs on, we are on the clock.
    End of year paid for trainings & meetings attended. Based on how many you have attended for the year.

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    Default paid??????????????????

    if you are paid then you are NOT VOLUNTEER!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjfswkr
    if you are paid then you are NOT VOLUNTEER!!!!
    Absolutley !

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    we are POC ...........$12-16/hr based on training and rank .........
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    One dept I volunteer for gives us $5/per call, and another pays $10

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    If recieving $5 an hour qualifies as being paid then perhaps there should be 3 categories volunteer, paid and career. Because that 5 dollars an hour sure isn't going to pay the bills. A good portion of our pay winds up paying for extra department aproved gear for example nicer structure gloves, extication gloves, plus I have personally purchased hand tools I have wanted on the rescue.(I dont have to get dept aproval for that since I am the one who would be doing the aproving for any rescue or ems purchase) Having a proffesional career I have a stack of dress clothes that were no longer nice enough for work after responding to working fires. Our entire dept. yearly compensation budget is $20,000 this includes the chief, As. chief and officers and a someone to do paperwork 3 hours a day, all this for 40 active members.

    Also remember one overlooked donation that your dept. recieves when ever an employer in your town allows a FF to leave work they are loosing money.

    Personally I don't see why people get so worked up over this if your city or district wants to show its appreciation for work we would do anyway good for them.

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    Default Quarterly pay

    My town gives us a quarterly check. It's supposed to reimburse us for the gas we use in POV, clothes that might have been ruined, etc. The town just had us fill out tax form 1099 for this year. Which means we'll be paying taxes on the money in the end. For some of the members it means that they will actually be paying to be a volunteer. Nice how that works out. The quarterly pay is based on attendance. If you shouw up for calls and Monday night Training you'll get your full check. If your a slacker and not pulling your weight within your assigned company it is up to the company Captain to adjust your pay accordingly. Our reimbursement checks also coincide with our Lenth of Service Award Program. Meaning, if you do not get full pay every quarter you need to do some sort of extra activity to get your full LOSAP points for the year. Which can be coming down and cleaning the bays at the fire house. As long as it is a work detail or something that has been approved by the executive board.

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    The different interpretations of "Volunteer" are always entertaining.

    POC here as well, with calls and training/meetings outside of the weekly drill paid at $15 per hour. Weekly drills receive 1 hour for expenses, and for travel to training/meetings and such, all other expenses are covered.

    Flat rate of $15 per hour is for everyone, but officers get monthly "honorariums" (polite way of saying partial salary, but no benefits) in excesss of that.

    We are still classified as Volunteer in these parts though, as true uncompensated "volunteer" departments are very rare outside of the extreme rural areas.
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    We are just lucky that we don't have to pay the dept. per call (money is tight).
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    Our "volunteers" are paid a stipend for making calls and training. I think it is currently $10 per call for working incidents, $5 per call for all other incidents and $10 per training meeting.

    When I was a "volunteer" in 2000-02 at another department, we made $15 per hour for the first hour of a fire and $10 per hour after that. I believe that all other calls were $10 per hour and training was $10, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjfswkr
    if you are paid then you are NOT VOLUNTEER!!!!
    Disagree. There are several dictonary definitions of the word volunteer. In the Webster Dictionary there are seven different definitions. Numbers one through six mention nothing about compensation, they all deal with things like "acting on ones free will", "acting without interference".

    Even though our dept. pays us an hourly rate for all we do, we are still volunteers. If a tone drops right now and I decide not to go, I have that choice because I am a volunteer. If I weren't a volunteer, I would lose my job if I didn't respond. I am acting on my free will will by "voluntarily" responding to a call. Whether or not I am getting paid for what I do, I still voluntarily chose what to attend and what not.

    I don't think you can say a dept. like ours is "Paid on Call" either because that would assume that we were actually "on call" as individuals. That is not the case. When the tones drop, whoever is available will voluntarily respond to the call.

    Just some semantics to spice up a dead horse

    And to answer the original question. We get paid between $9 and $15 per hour depending on training levels. (officers are different)
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    We don't get paid, but the city pays into the state fire pension program on our behalf. They pay $24/month/volunteer. If we actually put in 20 years or something, we will retire and make $100-$150/month in retirement.

    We're a combo dept., about 75% career and 25% vollies.

    And that's good, since I don't get a retirement program right now in my paid job...

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    I was on a POC dept. "yes'' we were vollies. We were paid $25 for every member that arrived at a call. The city paid this money. Most vollies placed this money back into the VFDs account. We dident get many calls so most guys, dident really see a need to keep the money. Plus it paid the bills, and we could get better equipment.

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    We are currently getting $5 per call only first 3 on scene to medical calls get paid the money, everybody on everything else. Have to attend 2/3 of training quarterly, paid on a quarterly basis. Little extra cash for officers, comes out to just under$.31 a day. So I pretty much lose money every time I turn the key to go anywhere. And I, like it was mentioned before, was suprised when I got a check. Sometimes I still am. Its not much, glad to get it, but that's not what it's about for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baileydonk
    Our department pays us $8.00 per call. We do tend to call ourselves "volunteers", as opposed to our two "paid" firefighters who make a monthly salary and work their regular shifts at the station... we could argue the semantics of "volunteer" all day, I suppose. I freely give a lot of my time to the department every week, our payment is sporadic (I honestly don't remember the last time I got paid!) and under the table, and when we do get handed an envelope of green stuff it's good for going to a dinner with our respective sweeties perhaps... not something we count on for paying our rent or bills. When I joined, I didn't know any money was involved at all - the first time I got money I was very surprised. I still think of the money as an occasional "thank you gift" for volunteering, not as a paycheck.

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    Yep! I agree!!! However ours is twice a year, and most of it goes back into our Dept. Like when someone has a new area of service, alot of what was "paid" to us went right back into restarting our dive team...
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    Awesome dude! I completely agree. If a just worked a double and my free will for B.S. is running low I might miss a call, rarely. We are considered "volunteers" here in Ohio, but paid on call from 7$ for probies to 18$ for A/C. on calls, training, station work, inspections preplanning. Firefighters are also well compensated for advanced training

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    If you are paid you are not volunteer!!!! Websters dictionary definition

    1 : a person who voluntarily undertakes or expresses a willingness to undertake a service: as a : one who enters into military service voluntarily b (1) : one who renders a service or takes part in a transaction while having no legal concern or interest (2) : one who receives a conveyance or transfer of property without giving valuable consideration


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    Am I the only one that finds it funny when the dictionary defines volunteer as being one who volunteers?

    By the way kjfswkr, none of those definitions say you can't/aren't compensated. They just state you choose to take on the task.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bones42
    Am I the only one that finds it funny when the dictionary defines volunteer as being one who volunteers?
    Only if the definition of Voluntary is "See Volunteer".
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    I guess, according to kjfswkr, that means I'm not part of a volunteer military since I get paid to do it.

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