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09-06-2006, 06:56 PM #1
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09-06-2006, 07:17 PM #2
Maybe the first firehouse they should close is in Noel Weyrich's neighborhood. Maybe he feels a fair tradeoff for closed fire companies is his fire insurance rate going up. Maybe he is just another uninformed *******....You know the dangerous kind, the one that thinks he knows more then he really does.IAFF-IACOJ PROUD
09-06-2006, 07:43 PM #3
I don't know
Some of what he says makes a certain amount of sense, shifting assets to EMS inside of firefighting when you have stations making less than a hundred runs a year is not unreasonable. Do I take what he says with a grain of salt, you bet I do! Do I believe that IAFF does some unneccesary fear mongering, You bet I do! This is nothing more than political posturing on both sides. Both sides need to come together and discuss whay truly is best for the city and be honest about it. Do I believe that will happen??
YOU BET I DON'T!!!!
Last edited by Mzanghetti; 09-09-2006 at 02:54 PM.Mark Zanghetti
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09-06-2006, 08:01 PM #4
I will take my Brothers side over some blogger ANY time.
I would like to see those so called run stats before making assertations based on someone who refers to himself as a "contrarian". Also, I believe the PFD suppression companies respond on EMS runs.IAFF-IACOJ PROUD
09-06-2006, 08:18 PM #5Originally Posted by MIKEYLIKESIT
And as for apparatus reponding to medicals, I have two points:
1) they need to actually do something.
2) It does no good if you are waiting 20 plus minutes routinely for an ambulance.
Philly has been lambasted with bad PR and several major lawsuits involving deaths due to not utilizing thier resources (especially EMS) properly.
Both sides need to be realistic and open minded. It won't happen, but it needs to be done."Too many people spend money they haven't earned, to buy things they don't want, to impress people they don't like." Will Rogers
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09-06-2006, 08:23 PM #6
Well Weyrich calls for FIRING half the City of Philadelphia Fire Department. That in itself is all I need to see to realize HE has ZERO credibility. Add ambulances. Don't fire firefighters.IAFF-IACOJ PROUD
09-06-2006, 08:51 PM #7
Using Weyrich logic, his idea would be to have 30 Engine Companies 14.5 Trucks serving a population around 1.5 million. Absolutely insane. Also, in the 16 years that the department has been "gathering cobwebs", they have lost in my estimation 16 to 17 members from LODD's. I stand by my opinion that Weyrich is a hack.IAFF-IACOJ PROUD
09-07-2006, 06:48 PM #8
.02Originally Posted by DaSharkieMark Zanghetti
Goshen Fire Dept.
09-07-2006, 08:28 PM #9
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If you have an engine crew standing around and doing nothing on an EMS run they should be retrained. Their is nothing treatment wise an ALS engine can't do that the ambulance can. If their is an extended wait then the engine should be done and waiting to transport by the time the MICU arrives.
EMS is rapidly becoming the bulk ouf our job, get used to it or retire.
09-07-2006, 09:20 PM #10
Originally Posted by ADSNWFLDI am a complacent liability to the fire service
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09-07-2006, 09:29 PM #11
Originally Posted by Mzanghetti
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Last edited by ChicagoFF; 09-07-2006 at 09:30 PM. Reason: miscountI am a complacent liability to the fire service
09-07-2006, 09:51 PM #12
Posted by ChicagoFF
I just had five fires in four shifts, three shifts without, then another last night. Tell me which one we should have had a delayed response to so that we could go on an ems run where an engine is such a big help. We don't even carry c-collars, for christs sake. But we do carry alot of hose and five guys trained to put out fires. Which is more important again? Where are you a fireman?
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09-07-2006, 09:55 PM #13Originally Posted by ADSNWFLD
I do not mind at all going on EMS calls where we are needed. If we can have a positive outcome on the outcome of a patients condition, I am all for it. I do not need to go babysit a grown person who has had a stomach ache for the last 3 days because the ambulance is coming from across town and it would look better; aka - possibly reduce the risk of liability on the cities behalf because the 30 ALS ambulances we have are all tied up on other BS runs.
So Adsnwfld, what class would you recommend that I retake because my best treatment for people with stomach aches, headaches, stumped toes, cut fingers, back aches, or my favorite - the perverbial *** bleed consists of:
"Sir (or Maam) - Do you want to be taken to the hospital by ambulance?"
"Okay. Sit back and relax. The ambulance is coming from across town. There is not much I can do for you. If something gets worse let us know."
In Memphis, it is very clear that if someone calls and asks for an ambulance, they are going to get one, and maybe a fire company along with it. It is also very clear that regardless of how bogus, if that person wants to be transported, you take them.
That is not EMS taking over fire departments. You do realize that the "E" is for emergency.....right????
BS is taking over fire departments, not EMS.
Last edited by MemphisE34a; 09-07-2006 at 11:05 PM.Robert Kramer
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09-07-2006, 09:57 PM #14
while structure fires have on an average been on the decline ..............this guy sounds like a goofus to me. I cant imagine there is ONE city Philly company doing 1 run a week. So things maybe need to be shifted around ? Possibly but firing half of them ....plain ol ludicris. Chicago ..........not even a c-collar bro ?IACOJ both divisions and PROUD OF IT !
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09-07-2006, 10:30 PM #15
Originally Posted by Weruj1I am a complacent liability to the fire service
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09-07-2006, 11:00 PM #16
In my town:
FD (does not run on EMS calls) - 250 calls per year of which ~150 are BS. (In 2005, we pulled 1 3/4" lines off the engine only four times for the year)
EMS - 1500 calls per year of which ~1000 are BS.
On 1 of our engines, we have an AED (through state grant) and an oxygen bottle. C-collar? Most guys don't know what one is.
Do I agree with what this guy says? like someone state above, i'd need to see those stats first. I don't like seeing FD's justifying their time spent on duty by running BS EMS calls."This thread is being closed as it is off-topic and not related to the fire industry." - Isn't that what the Off Duty forum was for?
09-08-2006, 03:21 AM #17
I guess no one would even consider the idea that maybe Philly is overstaffed on the supression side, and that the city would be better suited by closing down some of the slower supression units and reallocate the funds and manpower to deploy additional ambulances and help to repair the extremely understaffed EMS system in the city, right?If my basic HazMat training has taught me nothing else, it's that if you see a glowing green monkey running away from something, follow that monkey!
09-08-2006, 09:49 AM #18
Just like everywhere else in this country Philly doesn't have a staffing problem on EMS they have a patient overpopulation problem. The main problem isn't that there is not enough ambo's it's that there are too many "I think I broke my toe" or "I got a toothache" or some such other BS. Maybe one day EMS systems and Doctors will actually push for aggressive protocols that let EMS units tell BS patients to find another ride.
09-08-2006, 09:59 AM #19Originally Posted by jlcooke3
09-08-2006, 02:18 PM #20Originally Posted by MzanghettiIAFF-IACOJ PROUD
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