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    The fire department in the next town over just took delivery of there third ALF eagle fire apparatus , any likes -or-dislikes of the ALF trucks you have in service !...Please " NO BASHING ".

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    We have a 04' Eagle. The first year we had the truck it was in the shop a few months getting things fixed. Some things took more than once to get fixed and the foam was never fixed by Lafrance or FoamPro after several attempts (like 6 tries). The foam system was fixed by a member of the dept. after getting the wiring diagram from the internet. 2 wire we hooked up wrong. The truck is okay now at least functionablity (not sure if that is even a word) wise, paint and lettering still an issue. Most of our problems were with the dealer that sold it to us. He was horrible. We now deal with a different one. He is better, but not great in my opinion. Now if he make the paint and lettering issue go away then all is good. The factory guys were great to work with. The truck was built at the LTI factory in PA. Now the only real complaint I have is the interior noise is incredible, especially when the turbo is working hard. Working on buying headset so that will go away also.

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    Wow, I was going to post an over/under on when the first post of; "they suck" was posted. It didn't even get that far....
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    Whoa, whoa, whoa, I did not say it sucked. Just took time to get it right. The dealer is who sucked not the company itself. It would take way to long to explain why the dealer sucks, but company good. I don't like to type that much.

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    Have a 1999 American LaFrance, where do I begin,

    Broke fan clutch enroute from factory to our station for intital delivery

    While out test driving it after fan clutch was repaired, and before intitial delivery, the drive shaft fell out and ripped apart half the pump.

    Delivered with a missing seat!!??????? Let's see, a six man cab with only 5 seats because they could not find one. WTF???????

    At first working house fire as primary apparatus at 1am, report of person trapped, broke second fan clutch causing truck to overheat and shutdown. Lost the house thank god there was no one inside.

    Had to replace transmission and Engine Temp gauges twice in first year.

    Officer's speedometer reading will not stay accurate to speedometer at Driver's position to this day.

    Lost fan clutch again at another working fire in 2002

    Exhaust brake / engine retarder replaced in 2005

    Very loud inside cab

    Surface corrosion around the front wheel wells

    Terrible HVAC system. Assured by the salesman that we did not need the extra rear HVAC unit. BIIIIG MISTAKE. Windows fog, in the Winter it is cold as the arctic and the summer you might as well just roll down the windows.

    At this time I believe that we are on our 7th or 8th fan clutch (I've lost count), our second drive shaft, second exhaust brake, a rebuilt alternator and I have lost track of what else.

    Needless to say, NEVER NEVER AGAIN!!!!

    But, she sure is pretty!!

    And that is exactly what we have, a pretty POS.

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    Default 2003 ALF Eagle 75' Telesqurt

    We got this truck in January of '04 and it seems as though it has been OOS more than it has been in service.

    When we got the truck several items were not taken care of at the factory.

    Water Level Guage not installed correctly at factory

    Driveshaft was out of balance

    Pump cavitated whenever in gear

    A/C leaked water in the cab whenever it was running

    Whole truck bounces when you get to 25 mph, factory facilities think it is driver error. I've had others who say it is Frame Flexing but tell that to the factory!!

    The truck has an 210" W.B on a single rear axle with a GVW of 52k. Our one Pierce truck that has a 198" WB does not have this issue but it also has a dbl frame.

    Hydraulic system had a leak within the torque box. To get to the leak the tank had to come out of the truck

    Hydraulic line ruptured near the nozzle and had to be replaced. A steel braided line at that!!

    It's a nice truck in all. This is our first ALF. We've had Pierce since 1982. The truck looks nice but some of the issues should have been dealt with at the factory.

    The air ride front suspension is quite nice. Overall, it is a lot of weight for a single rear axle truck. The telesqurt is very stable and makes for a quick setup.

    No matter who you purchase your apparatus from, there will be issues when you get the truck.

    No manufacturer will deliver the perfect truck in my opinion.
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    2005 ALF 1500gpm Pumper

    Problems with the foam system
    All the bolts on the fill towers were loose from the factory
    Numerous electical problems
    Recurring problem with the front spring hangers coming loose
    Truck has a distinct lean to the right, no one has figured that one out yet
    (could be related to the spring problem)
    Have had issues with the windows falling out of the tracks
    Have already had several leaks in the piping, one was the tank to pump line

    When everything is working, its not a bad truck. But the time it has spent in the shop has really left a bad taste. It has been in the shop the entire week (this week) for electical problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnfireguy
    2005 ALF 1500gpm Pumper

    Problems with the foam system
    All the bolts on the fill towers were loose from the factory
    Numerous electical problems
    Recurring problem with the front spring hangers coming loose
    Truck has a distinct lean to the right, no one has figured that one out yet
    (could be related to the spring problem)
    Have had issues with the windows falling out of the tracks
    Have already had several leaks in the piping, one was the tank to pump line

    When everything is working, its not a bad truck. But the time it has spent in the shop has really left a bad taste. It has been in the shop the entire week (this week) for electical problems.
    Sounds like the newer ALF trucks have more problems than E-one , KME , Smeal , HME, etc !...

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    My Fire Dept. has a 2003 100 Rear Mount ALF/LTI aerial on an Eagle Chassis with a Detroit Diesel 470 HP engine. The truck does over 1000 calls per year and we have had very few problems. The few problems that we had were promptly fixed by the dealer in the firehouse. I must say the firefighters that work on the truck really like it. Some of the issues that have been discussed and appear on this forum are not the fault of ALF who just installs them. We also have Pierce and Seagrave apparatus in our Dept. and they have had similar issues, also not problem free. Our shops perform maintenance on all our vehicles and I strongly believe that if you follow the required maintenance schedules the truck will perform as specified by the manufacturer. One of the best features of the ALF aerial is that it has no electronic controls, just simple hydraulic controls and they work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnfireguy
    2005 ALF 1500gpm Pumper


    Have had issues with the windows falling out of the tracks
    I forgot that one. Had to have the rear passenger side window pulled apart and rebuilt last year. Another one I forgot to mention, we had to have two door springs / stops (the mechanism that they use to keep the door from opening too far) replaced. One of our firefighters got out of the truck one day and wham!!! the rear driver's side door swung all the way around and damaged the drivers door. The other rear door mechanism was bent and on it's last leg. Had them both replaced 2 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee750
    I forgot that one. Had to have the rear passenger side window pulled apart and rebuilt last year. Another one I forgot to mention, we had to have two door springs / stops (the mechanism that they use to keep the door from opening too far) replaced. One of our firefighters got out of the truck one day and wham!!! the rear driver's side door swung all the way around and damaged the drivers door. The other rear door mechanism was bent and on it's last leg. Had them both replaced 2 years ago.

    Do your's lock by themselves when the door is shut hard?
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    American Lafrance fire apparatus are cheaper to purchase than a Pierce ,E-One , Seagrave , etc. That is why most departments have them is service and they can low bid to get the apparatus contract with a small town or large city where the mayors & taxpayers are looking for the lowest possible price!.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnfireguy
    Do your's lock by themselves when the door is shut hard?
    I have not heard of that one yet. Key word... YET. I'll warn the guys about it though.

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    We have a 2003 Engine built by their Hamburg facility. We have had a few problems.

    1. Fuel Injectors - Detroit problem
    2. Generator cooling fan not wired up. - Harrison problem
    3. Bent pump shift rod. - Operator error.

    Other then that no problems to speak of. It has worked well for us.
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    I got a new one on my truck. Coming back from a call the other night at 4am, we lost the head lights. The driver turned on the high beams and those worked thank god!!! Got back to the station and hey guess what, we got low beams again. Don't know if it is a bad relay or fuse or what but it can now be added to my wonderful list.

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    It looks like all of the apparatus mentioned so far were purchased when Freightliner was in charge.

    Has anybody taken delivery of an ALF since it was bought by Patriarch Partners?
    What if the hokey pokey IS what it's all about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by grains
    It looks like all of the apparatus mentioned so far were purchased when Freightliner was in charge.

    Has anybody taken delivery of an ALF since it was bought by Patriarch Partners?
    Is that Jim Hebes Group again

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    Quote Originally Posted by captaincvfd
    Is that Jim Hebes Group again
    Are you asking me?? I don't know who Jim Hebes is so maybe you have me mixed up with somebody else.

    No, I am just curious if ALF has made a turnaround since being bogged down by Freightliner. ALF is one of those American icons that unfortunately got purchased by a company who didn't give a crap about quality. I was hoping that under their new ownership that they could get back to building better trucks.
    What if the hokey pokey IS what it's all about?

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    Jim Hebe, after "leaving" Freightliner, put together the group that bought Seagrave. After exiting an active role in that group, he became a principal in a large International dealership. I believe that it's in Vancouver, B.C., Canada. That's the last I've heard of him. To the best of my knowledge, he's not in the fire apparatus business at this time.

    Stay safe out there, everyone goes home!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chiefengineer11
    Jim Hebe, after "leaving" Freightliner, put together the group that bought Seagrave. After exiting an active role in that group, he became a principal in a large International dealership. I believe that it's in Vancouver, B.C., Canada. That's the last I've heard of him. To the best of my knowledge, he's not in the fire apparatus business at this time.

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    Oh, OK.

    I'm no expert here, but I don't believe that he is involved here. Patriarch Partners is headed by a gal named Lynn Tilton.
    What if the hokey pokey IS what it's all about?

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    Sure am glad I stumbled into this thread. I am meeting with the ALF rep today about building our new tanker. It will be a custom truck on a Freightliner chassis. I was thinking he would be higher priced when compaired to the other companies I was looking into (one on a Rosenbauer platform). Will have to watch this closely, great info guys! Keep it coming!

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    utfd, contact me by email (bbreiler@arialink.com) in reference to a truck......


    Thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by utfd701
    Sure am glad I stumbled into this thread.
    Don't overlook various posts in "Tanker" thread.

    Stay safe out there, everyone goes home!

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    Quote Originally Posted by utfd701
    Sure am glad I stumbled into this thread. I am meeting with the ALF rep today about building our new tanker. It will be a custom truck on a Freightliner chassis. I was thinking he would be higher priced when compaired to the other companies I was looking into (one on a Rosenbauer platform). Will have to watch this closely, great info guys! Keep it coming!

    Keep us posted!

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    Have a 2005 ALF Metro. Had an issue with fuel pump on delivery (Cummins Problem) and had 1 wiring issue but that was an oversight when we did final inspection. All in all we love the truck. Our issue has been the local Freightliner Dealership that was supposed to be the service center. I wont even take our FL70 chassis tanker to them anymore.
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