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    one of the officers on the command staff where i volunteer wanted us to answer some questions... i'm stumped on a few such as...

    If a newspaper were crumpled or laying flat and a glowing cigarette were placed upon it, would it ignite?

    I was thinking it probably wouldn't because there isn't enough oxygen underneath the paper to keep it burning...

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    Good question. Have you tried it for real to see what would happen?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KenNFD1219
    Good question. Have you tried it for real to see what would happen?
    That's the problem nowadays...peole won't do their own work and seek info on the 'net!
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    Sometimes it will sometimes it wont. If its place in middle of the floor usally it will burn itself out. I seen it done with a cigarette held to a match book with a rubberband and it burnt itself out in the middle of the floor on carpet. Now if they do it in a trashcan etc different story.
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    Ha.. don't really feel like finding or purchasing a pack of smokes to try it... no one I know smokes so I was just wondering. I guess I'll try to bum a smoke tomorrow from someone at school.

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    well it depends on how the ciggarette is oriented on the paper. I'm not sure what the point of this questions is or why one would even need to contemplate this. Yes it can. It may not, but it can. Duh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by parkerx209
    If a newspaper were crumpled or laying flat and a glowing cigarette were placed upon it, would it ignite?
    Is it possible you should be looking at which is more likely to ignite, crumpled or flat?

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    Talking I think I'll really confuse him?

    If a newspaper were crumpled or laying flat and a glowing cigarette were placed upon it, would it ignite?
    parkerx209, here are some questions for the sake of discussion:

    Is is a full paper or only one page?

    What are the weather conditions (relative humidity, temp, wind conditions)?

    Do you think either of these things matter? Why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EFD840
    parkerx209, here are some questions for the sake of discussion:

    Is is a full paper or only one page?

    What are the weather conditions (relative humidity, temp, wind conditions)?

    Do you think either of these things matter? Why?
    Is it inside or outdoors?

    Is it on a concrete floor, dirt floor, wood floor, carpeting, table or other kind of furnishing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainGonzo
    Is it inside or outdoors?

    Is it on a concrete floor, dirt floor, wood floor, carpeting, table or other kind of furnishing?


    Is it a Daily newspaper of a Weekly?
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    It could well be that the Chief is looking for a conclusive "no" answer as some researchers note that a smoldering cigarette only burns at about 400 degrees F on the outside of the tip. The middle of the burning tip can be as high as 580 F in the same research. As others have stated many other conditions can have an effect. Of course you question is slightly confusing as crumpled vs. flat will certainly have a large effect. As well as how many sheets are laying flat or are crumpled. This as the cigarette has to raise the paper surface to its ignition temp while everything below the surface absorbs and disapates the heat.

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    Does the paper support Republicans, Independents or Democrats?

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    Quote Originally Posted by superchef
    Does the paper support Republicans, Independents or Democrats?
    Sherry... you had me rotflmao on that one!
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    Quote Originally Posted by superchef
    Does the paper support Republicans, Independents or Democrats?
    In all three cases would there be enough OXYGEN to support combustion? We know they all have enough hot air to blow around, but if the O2 content is not high enough....... no fire.

    On a more serious side of the answer, the crumpled paper would likely (given correct atmospheric conditions etc) to ignite faster than a flat piece, same as with a wooden fuel load. Check your IFSTA book, chapter on Fire Behaviour. Something about total surface area.... or something like that.
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    If it does catch on fire:

    1. Smooth bore or fog nozzle?
    2. Red engine or yellow engine?
    3. Lights & Siren in POV to respond?
    Even the burger-flippers at McDonald's probably have some McWackers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nmfire
    If it does catch on fire:

    1. Smooth bore or fog nozzle?
    2. Red engine or yellow engine?
    3. Lights & Siren in POV to respond?

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    Just ask the Mythbusters. They'll have the answer in under an hour and with a large explosion.
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    You got me thinking, so I took some newspaper, crumpled it up and put it in the BBQ grill, I then put a lit cigarette in the middle of the pile, opened the vents and waited. About 15 minutes later, guess what I had...



































































    Hot dogs! And they were delicious!

    Seriously though, given the correct conditions, a cigarette will ignite newspaper. I have been to a fire that started from a cigarette that was tossed into a recycling container with nothing other than newspaper in it.




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    Quote Originally Posted by nmfire
    If it does catch on fire:

    1. Smooth bore or fog nozzle?
    2. Red engine or yellow engine?
    3. Lights & Siren in POV to respond?
    Drop a book on it. In this case it might work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by parkerx209
    one of the officers on the command staff where i volunteer wanted us to answer some questions... i'm stumped on a few such as...

    If a newspaper were crumpled or laying flat and a glowing cigarette were placed upon it, would it ignite?

    I was thinking it probably wouldn't because there isn't enough oxygen underneath the paper to keep it burning...

    Stumped.
    The answer to both is no. Put the cigarette under the paper and.......YAHTZEE. Kinda the same as a couch. Put a lit cigarette on top of a seat cushion - you get typical small "cigarette style" burn holes, but no burning couch. Place the cigarette between the cushions - BINGO - couch ablaze.
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