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    Default Got our truck

    We got the word today by reading the newspaper.
    Can't believe they didn't call.
    Anyway, this is our press release.................

    The truck is a raised roof custom Rosenbaur with 6 man cab, top mount, CAFS, and will be the first custom in our area for VFD.



    Marion Volunteer Fire & Rescue (MVFR), announces the reciept of a $235,030 Vehicle aquisition Grant in the 2006 U.S. Department of Homeland Security’s Assistance to Firefighters Grant Program (AFG). The award will be used for new Custom pumper, and will help to further improve safety, lower response time, and save lives.
    The announcement came Wednesday from U.S. Sens. Trent Lott and Thad Cochran.
    The primary goal of the Assistance to Firefighters Grants (AFG) is to meet the firefighting and emergency response needs of fire departments and nonaffiliated emergency medical services organizations. Since 2001, AFG has helped firefighters and other first responders to obtain critically needed equipment, protective gear, emergency vehicles, training, and other resources needed to protect the public and emergency personnel from fire and related hazards. The Office of Grants and Training in the Department of Homeland Security administers the grants in cooperation with the U.S. Fire Administration. For fiscal year 2005, Congress reauthorized the Assistance to Firefighters Grants for an additional 5 years through 2010.
    The MVFR Grant was written and submitted by Fire Captain/Paramedic Don J. Larson who states, "This truck will be a step into the future for the Town of Marion as well as MVFR." "The old truck we're replacing, a 1976 Ford Commercial Grumman Pumper, has been out of service for mechanical problems more often that it has been operational for the past 3 years". Captain Larson is also the Grant Manager and says he has his work cut out for him to get everything in order, but the truck should be delivered in the next 5 to 10 months.
    The Department's current first line" pumper, a 1995 E-One, is nearing the end of it's service life.
    "The New Fire Apparatus will have a service life of 20 years, as opposed to the 15 year period imposed on commercial chassis trucks" Larson said. "With the Grant picking up 95% of the cost, The Town's portion will only be approximately $600 per year over the 20 year life of the vehicle".
    MVFR received a Department of Homeland Security Assistance to Firefighters Grant (AFG) for Equipment in 2005 totaling $146,068, which was also written by Mr. Larson. That grant funded new personal protective equipment, new self-contained breathing apparatus, facility stand-by generator, cascade system, and medical Equipment.
    Thankfully, the MVFR does not receive a large volume of calls, but its members are trained, equipped, and prepared to respond when an emergency happens.
    The MVFR response area includes the Town of Marion and also mutual aid response to several fire departments including Northeast VFD, Russell VFD, Bailey VFD, and the City of Meridian. This Equipment will also be beneficial to those Departments.
    Chief Scott Stokes said, "Thanks to this Grant, the Marion community now has a fire department with trained volunteer firefighters and the Equipment to get the job done effectively".
    “None of this would have been possible without the AFG grants,” says Chief Stokes.
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    Thumbs up Congrats Medic

    Just wanted to say congratulations to you on getting that. I saw it posted in the paper yesterday along with the award for Chunky (department I wrote for). These trucks are desperately needed in this area. Hats off to ya and your department!!!!!

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    Congrats Medic!!!

    Sounds like we specd the same truck! Still waiting word on ours yet. If you haven't been to the plant in Lyon, take the time..Those guys are great! They stopped to explain any questions I had.

    Big thumbs up from me.

    (Of course if we get a DJ I may be calling to get a copy of your application for next year's attempt) )

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    Thanx everbody.

    Now the Chief wants to rethink the manufacturer. Seems there's another truck he saw and.......

    I told him to get me the info. but unless it was more truck for less money.....

    Ahhh, it feels good to have these problems. LOL

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    and if you thought the wait for the award announcement was agonizing, just see how you feel after waiting for delivery of the new truck. LOL!
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    Default Way to go Marion

    Your department should be proud, you earned it! Not trying to rain on anyones parade or stick my foot in my mouth, but I have to ask. How with a 1995 front line pumper and low call volume did you get funding for a pumper. In all of the AFG training classes I went to and reading the forums for years, it was always stated there was no way it would happen with a truck that new. I know there is more information that is not in your post, I am just tring to learn, we have applied for a truck for 3 years now and still no luck. I am glad for your departments success, if you could help get me out with any info that would be great!!!! e-mail patokafire@fairpoint.net

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    If those are the only two pumpers in the department (1976 & 1995) then the average age is 20 and the unit being replaced is a 1976.

    If they had more than one truck 1990 and newer it's a different story. And a much more difficult award to get. Not that this one was easy per se, but on a relative scale 2 truck departments will have a higher score (if all other factors are equal) than a 3 truck department. 1 truck OOS service leaves 1 truck available on one side, 2 on the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BC79er
    If those are the only two pumpers in the department (1976 & 1995) then the average age is 20 and the unit being replaced is a 1976.

    If they had more than one truck 1990 and newer it's a different story. And a much more difficult award to get. Not that this one was easy per se, but on a relative scale 2 truck departments will have a higher score (if all other factors are equal) than a 3 truck department. 1 truck OOS service leaves 1 truck available on one side, 2 on the other.

    We only have 2 pumpers and 1 brush truck.
    By saying more than one truck, does that include a grass rig?? We have a 1966 Ford pumper, a 2001 E-ONE pumper, and a 2005 grass rig. Want to retire the 66 for a tanker. Would our average age be 22 or 15? And would the brush truck hurt our chances?

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    Your average is across all vehicles, so 15.

    And a definite maybe on the 2nd part of that question. Remember I prefaced the above comment with: if all other factors are equal. The presence of other vehicles, differences in call volume, population, square mileage, etc, etc all come into play.

    Between Marion and you, assuming that you both had a 2005 brush truck, they have a 1976 and a 1990. You have a 1966 and a 2001. The year averages are close, but your newest pumper is 11 years newer than theirs. So they will show as more 'needy' than you on paper for that reason.

    Of course nothing is really that simple, but it's a starting point. The narrative possibilities are endless. What year did their 1990 replace? Your 2001? What did the 2005 brush truck replace? If you needed a tanker why didn't you keep saving for that instead if the other brush was working still?

    Things like that fall into the category I like to call: "the questions that have to be answered without ever being asked." If you can answer everything in that category consistently, you can succeed in the grants game.

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    That sounds like a long shot Dwayne. You're rural down there, so how often are you shuttling water, how long until mutual aid arrives, etc? The tougher part will be getting past the computer scoring i think. The 15 year average hurts, but the Priority One, top of the list apparatus has been tanker/tender for your kind of dept.

    Kurt/Brian--with the "one vehicle per department" thing, and 900 or so per year going out, are either of you beginning to see the demographics for being competitive change?? I know it's still a 1 in 10 or so shot, but i'm also guessing that 20-30% of the vehicle apps going in are wasted shots anyway ("that's what we need", "that's all we want", "i need an aerial because we have a grain elevator" kind of apps). Any trends developing??

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    Not really, last ball park I heard was that nearly 20k of the 30k departments in the country need at least 1 new truck. So 10 years of 900 trucks won't cover half.

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    I came across this thread and found it to be interesting because my department is in the same boat. My department needs a new Heavy Rescue. Currently we run a modified old Ambulance, that houses our rescue equiptment in it. We run numerous calls on I-65 (which we cover about 10 miles) not to mention US 231 and State Rd 10. We run more accident and rescue calls then fires. As you can see this is Priority number 1 for us. Does anybody think we have a shot at getting a grant like this?

    Thanks for the advise,
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    Quote Originally Posted by ktb9780
    and if you thought the wait for the award announcement was agonizing, just see how you feel after waiting for delivery of the new truck. LOL!
    Man, that's the boat we're in now. Nothing against the Rosenbauer guys, but we've been delayed twice now having to get extensions both times. But we went a week ago and witnessed it being built and have a due date of Nov. 11th. I'm more antsy than I was when we were waiting to get confirmation of award!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tfentress
    I came across this thread and found it to be interesting because my department is in the same boat. My department needs a new Heavy Rescue. Currently we run a modified old Ambulance, that houses our rescue equiptment in it. We run numerous calls on I-65 (which we cover about 10 miles) not to mention US 231 and State Rd 10. We run more accident and rescue calls then fires. As you can see this is Priority number 1 for us. Does anybody think we have a shot at getting a grant like this?

    Thanks for the advise,
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    Tom are you rural, call volume? Unless you are considered "urban" I don't see this in the cards for you, as it is not a Prioroty 1 vehicle in the matrix and they have not funded anything but priority 1 for three years now.
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    Kurt beat me to the punch. Here's the matrix from the 2006 Program Guidance (PG):
    (all right, that didn't work. But it's a Priority 2 for rural departments.)

    The PG can be found at www.firegrantsupport.com, look at the AFG section. Good background for starting. Chief Grants (www.chiefgrants.com) had an annotated version, if i recall correctly. Not sure if it's still up, but you can kill a few days on their web site if you don't have a life to start with. I've been wrong a few times. At least once.

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    The last heavy rescue awarded by AFG is sitting in my station courtesy of AFG 2002. I haven't found an FPS that thinks anyone including urban departments have a shot at one. A handful of P2 trucks make it into Peer every now and again, but that's about it. No P2 awards since 2002.

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    Thanks for the advice guys. In response to the questions posed to me. We are Rural, we cover two townships. We run about 315 calls per year. majority of them are rescue/accident calls.

    Again Thanks Guys,

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    Tom's department is one of those that just doesn't fit a "normal" matrix, especially AFG's. Included in the run stats is a large number of extrications, i don't know the facts. Compounding that, they often spend time waiting on the interstate for clean-up contractors for spills. It's a real need, but not an AFG fit.

    Their plight is shared by many other rural communities in our nation--heavy highway volume creating abnormal needs for support with little or no offsetting tax base to fund it. And...that is a problem that will increase as our population grows. It would be great to see the DOT or some other transportation related group begin to consider how to fund the stresses that our highways place on rural (and probably municipal) responders. The need for heavy rescue and haz-mat equipped units for highway response is great IF we want to have Golden Hour access to patients.

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    DOT has had programs in place for years for Hazmat training and equipment.

    Also in the statistical norm for rural responses is limited manpower so a single unit response is typical according to the studies that created the prorgam's priorities. So a rescue-only truck makes no tactical sense in that scenario. HRTs can be thrown on any vehicle, you don't need a rescue truck to perform hazard control or extrication. Certainly it's easier to have all the toys in one toy bin, but when it comes to frequency of use and population affected versus the $$ amount to buy a rescue truck the cost-benefit takes a nose dive. Quick attacks or rescue-pumpers are about the only way to meet the priorities with a solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catch22
    Man, that's the boat we're in now. Nothing against the Rosenbauer guys, but we've been delayed twice now having to get extensions both times. But we went a week ago and witnessed it being built and have a due date of Nov. 11th. I'm more antsy than I was when we were waiting to get confirmation of award!
    which plant is your trucking coming out of? We just got ours last week from Central States in Lyons, SD. It's a really nice truck and we're incredibly happy with it minus a few small problems that we're working out, but it took A LOT longer than it should have to build.

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    I just worked with on of my students from California on a California DOT grant that awarded them a $25K grant for all new rescue tools, air bags, Homaltro etc. DOT and Haz-Mat grants are available outside of AFG. as Brian stated. Also secured a used heavy duty service truck from Caterpillar for Hazard, KY and had it donated to the department and we equipped it through DOT and CEDAP to function as their rescue/extrication truck. More than one way to skin a cat here. Just have to get creative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BC79er
    DOT has had programs in place for years for Hazmat training and equipment.

    Also in the statistical norm for rural responses is limited manpower so a single unit response is typical according to the studies that created the prorgam's priorities. So a rescue-only truck makes no tactical sense in that scenario. HRTs can be thrown on any vehicle, you don't need a rescue truck to perform hazard control or extrication. Certainly it's easier to have all the toys in one toy bin, but when it comes to frequency of use and population affected versus the $$ amount to buy a rescue truck the cost-benefit takes a nose dive. Quick attacks or rescue-pumpers are about the only way to meet the priorities with a solution.
    Ouch, i got busted for being a novice!!

    Both you and Kurt offer good possibilities for Tom's dept, which is what i hoped when i brought it back up this morning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DellroyVFD08
    which plant is your trucking coming out of? We just got ours last week from Central States in Lyons, SD. It's a really nice truck and we're incredibly happy with it minus a few small problems that we're working out, but it took A LOT longer than it should have to build.
    We also have a pumper-tanker on order from Central States. Its the 2nd truck we have ordered from them (2001 we bought a engine) and we are still impatiently waiting. Our truck was to be delivered by Nov 15 but we can't get them to call us back or return a dang email. We are suppose to make a pre-paint inspection trip.

    Anyone else having problems with these guys??

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    Cool Central States

    We bought a pumper/tanker in 2004 with an AFG grant from Central States. We ordered the truck in May 2005 and our truck was delivered in October 2005. We had to have the truck by November 2005 to meet our period of performance. I think our local dealer had a favor coming. Call the factory at 605-543-5591. This was a family owned business started in Lyons, SD and the owners are some of the nicest people I ever met. They did wonders for us on our delivery. Call them or your dealer and ask about your truck. Our district has another truck on order right now, the problem is emission changes on 2007 trucks and they are still waiting on the chassis since April.

    Check out our truck at
    http://www.wildefire.net/cgd_new_del...lle/index.html

    We are 0 for 2 on PPE, still waiting for an 1199A for another shot at PPE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mitchkrat
    We also have a pumper-tanker on order from Central States. Its the 2nd truck we have ordered from them (2001 we bought a engine) and we are still impatiently waiting. Our truck was to be delivered by Nov 15 but we can't get them to call us back or return a dang email. We are suppose to make a pre-paint inspection trip.

    Anyone else having problems with these guys??
    Good luck! We started the order process in October of last year. It was the end of November before the contract was signed and returned to us. We got stuck in the middle of a dealership leaving Rosenbauer so I think that was a big part of it. Regardless, we were told we'd be able to take delivery by July. That came and went and was blamed on the "old dealer". The 295 days listed in the contract also came and went. We finally got it October 17th. It seemed the more I pushed the less I got out of it. Drop me a message if you need any chains to pull....I got some satisfaction depending on who I called, but very little over all.
    We're now dealing with a small detail that was overlooked on the truck and NOBODY wants to do anything about it...

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